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Skram - Electronic Music Maker, new iOS app by Liine

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  • @liine_nick

    A few suggestions:

    -pattern switch on the device page, so you can switch patterns without having to flip to the widget page
    -more patterns available than just two
    -longer patterns, 16 step and 32 step
    -keep knobs away from the top and bottom of the screen, to allow user to turns knobs full length without reaching the edge of the screen and thus having to pick up touch control and touch again to continue adjusting (actually learned this trick from designing Lemur templates)

  • i'm a 32-bit boy
    on my ancient ipad 4
    so alone, so alone...

  • @1P18 said:
    @liine_nick

    A few suggestions:

    -keep knobs away from the top and bottom of the screen, to allow user to turns knobs full length without reaching the edge of the screen and thus having to pick up touch control and touch again to continue adjusting (actually learned this trick from designing Lemur templates)

    Very good suggestion indeed!

  • @yaknepper said:

    @1P18 said:
    @liine_nick

    A few suggestions:

    -keep knobs away from the top and bottom of the screen, to allow user to turns knobs full length without reaching the edge of the screen and thus having to pick up touch control and touch again to continue adjusting (actually learned this trick from designing Lemur templates)

    Very good suggestion indeed!

    +2

  • I am looking forward to trying Skram once it has the regular save / recall / song mode-y stuffs

  • This app reminds me of (stay with me here) a shitty little toy app I sometimes trumpet called Color Chime. It's not because of the looks— Color Chime looks terrible, and not only that the sounds are lousy, there's no AB, no MIDI, no saves, no nothing. Despite all this I keep coming back to it because it's so immediate and error averse, without making you feel like a mere passenger. You can throw together something in 30 seconds, love it or scrap it and try again. I've done things with Color Chime I was so desperate to get at that I recorded into Live and spent considerable time trying to "Audio to MIDI" the magic out. They should check into it, because it still has a few tricks such as per note volume and dynamic quantization they could utilize.

    I must have it on my phone, though. Spin it off or universalize it, but it must be done so I can finally trash Color Chime.

  • edited April 2016

    @aaronpc said:
    This app reminds me of (stay with me here) a shitty little toy app I sometimes trumpet called Color Chime. It's not because of the looks— Color Chime looks terrible, and not only that the sounds are lousy, there's no AB, no MIDI, no saves, no nothing. Despite all this I keep coming back to it because it's so immediate and error averse, without making you feel like a mere passenger. You can throw together something in 30 seconds, love it or scrap it and try again. I've done things with Color Chime I was so desperate to get at that I recorded into Live and spent considerable time trying to "Audio to MIDI" the magic out. They should check into it, because it still has a few tricks such as per note volume and dynamic quantization they could utilize.

    I must have it on my phone, though. Spin it off or universalize it, but it must be done so I can finally trash Color Chime.

    /me is downloading Color Chime .. but the app seems to not have been updated in a while. No sound on iOS 9.

    But anyway, I get what you're saying, and I'll take that as a compliment. Immediacy, and the joy of playing live, is definitely part of the core experience we wanted to convey with Skram.

  • Yeah, the dev is awol, but it still works for me. Maybe a restart of the device would set things right?

  • @liine_nick said:
    Immediacy, and the joy of playing live, is definitely part of the core experience we wanted to convey with Skram.

  • I bought the app on sale. It's fun and I don't regret the buy at all. If it simply had AB/IAA support, I'd be cool with it. Sometimes I like to travel and mess around with ios devices in the middle of nowhere and there's often no way to email a track to myself.

    More options for sound would be sweet too. I can see this getting a sameness to it pretty quick.

  • edited April 2016

    The enthusasim of the dev team and knowing that there are music theory heads on the team got me on board (at sale price.. with current functionality its still just a toy really). Hopefully the interesting music theory/composition elements won't be dumbed down too much for a 'general audience'.

    I LOVE the sounds in this thing and if it had link then I'd probably be recording with them already today, plus the composition interface is really cool. I have high hopes.

    What it needs to become a serious tool for me (in order of importance):
    Link
    Audiobus
    Performance functionality (Remote Triggers, State Saving, advanced midi control)
    Extended music theory functions and sequencing tools (let's get ambitious! why does everything 'creative' in iOS always have to sit comfortably inside the frame with regard to tonality!)
    Midi in/out

    O

  • edited April 2016

    @OscarSouth said:
    The enthusasim of the dev team and knowing that there are music theory heads on the team got me on board (at sale price.. with current functionality its still just a toy really). Hopefully the interesting music theory/composition elements won't be dumbed down too much for a 'general audience'.

    We strive to design electronic instruments that combines radical simplicity without sacrificing musical depth. So far, I'm relieved to see that the response seems to be overwhelmingly positive both from complete neophytes (i.e. people who just want to have fun) and serious musicians/producers like the people on this forum. (Before you say it, I know that you guys really need AB, IAA, Link. We hear you loud and clear). I'm humbled by the passionate discussions I'm finding here.

    I wrote a PhD thesis on minimal techno a few years ago, perhaps it may be of some interest to you. All the design principles involved in building an efficient musical interface destined for a high pressure environment (improvising in front of thousands of people) hold true when creating a product for the home studio or even the casual user. Simply replace the words "stage performance" with "having fun", look behind, and you'll find the same needs: immediacy, simplicity, creativity. Complexity must necessarily be there, but always implicit, never explicit.

    I LOVE the sounds in this thing and if it had link then I'd probably be recording with them already today, plus the composition interface is really cool. I have high hopes.
    What it needs to become a serious tool for me (in order of importance):
    Link
    Audiobus

    See above. :)

    Performance functionality (Remote Triggers, State Saving, advanced midi control)
    Extended music theory functions and sequencing tools (let's get ambitious! why does everything 'creative' in iOS always have to sit comfortably inside the frame with regard to tonality!)

    There's a few more tricks that I want to throw in to make it a total diatonic funbag (and let's be honest, the vast majority of popular/electronic is written in diatonic modes). But eventually, for sure, I'd love to expose all the exotic scales we integrated and the custom scale editor. We must. Always a question of making sure it's fun and immediate. No headscratching allowed. :)

    Out of curiosity, what techniques do you have in mind when you say "extended music theory functions"?

    Personally, I'm a great fan of Neo-Riemannian chord progressions. This Lemur template is a great demo of how that system works. Video and Lemur Patch and an example of using this in a completely over-the-top prog track I did in a previous lifetime.

    Midi in/out

    Ja, ja, also necessary. The devs are coding their fingers off. I can't say exactly when we might get advanced MIDI routing in there, but it's on the feature backlog for sure.

  • Downloaded your thesis, very interesting, loved the interview and insight into the plastikman live shows. Nice to have a good quality live recording from one of the shows.

  • edited April 2016

    @liine_nick said:

    @OscarSouth said:
    The enthusasim of the dev team and knowing that there are music theory heads on the team got me on board (at sale price.. with current functionality its still just a toy really). Hopefully the interesting music theory/composition elements won't be dumbed down too much for a 'general audience'.

    Simplicity is a virtue. A piano is simple, but nobody would call it dumbed down. We strive to design electronic instruments that combines radical simplicity without sacrificing musical depth. So far, I'm relieved to see that the response seems to be overwhelmingly positive both from complete neophytes (i.e. people who just want to have fun) and serious musicians/producers alike. (Before you say it, I know that the more serious people really need AB, IAA, Link. We're working on it). I'm humbled by the passionate discussions I'm finding here.

    I wrote a PhD thesis on minimal techno a few years ago, perhaps it may be of some interest to you. All the design principles involved in building an efficient musical interface destined for a high pressure environment (improvising in front of thousands of people) hold true when creating a product for the home studio or even the casual user. Simply replace the words "stage performance" with "having fun", look behind, and you'll find the same needs: immediacy, simplicity, creativity. Complexity must necessarily be there, but always implicit, never explicit.

    I LOVE the sounds in this thing and if it had link then I'd probably be recording with them already today, plus the composition interface is really cool. I have high hopes.
    What it needs to become a serious tool for me (in order of importance):
    Link
    Audiobus

    See above. :)

    Performance functionality (Remote Triggers, State Saving, advanced midi control)
    Extended music theory functions and sequencing tools (let's get ambitious! why does everything 'creative' in iOS always have to sit comfortably inside the frame with regard to tonality!)

    There's a few more tricks that I want to throw in to make it a total diatonic funbag (and let's be honest, the vast majority of popular/electronic is written in diatonic modes). But eventually, for sure, I'd love to expose all the exotic scales we integrated and the custom scale editor. We must. Always a question of making sure it's fun and immediate. No headscratching allowed. :)

    Out of curiosity, what techniques do you have in mind when you say "extended music theory functions"?

    Personally, I'm a great fan of Neo-Riemannian chord progressions. This Lemur template is a great demo of how that system works. Video and Lemur Patch and an example of using this in a completely over-the-top prog track did in a previous lifetime.

    Midi in/out

    Ja, ja, also necessary. The devs are coding their fingers off. I can't say exactly when we might get advanced MIDI routing in there, but it's on the feature backlog for sure.

    Thanks for the in depth response! While I was a bit blunt with my descriptors I'm a genuine fan of the direction you're taking this app in.

    Agreed unanimously on your points. With regards to the music theory/composition stuff, what I'm hoping that you'll achieve is a flexibility to take composition/performance out of the frame (and get a bit more in depth with performance potential) within your finely tuned and fluid aesthetic of simplicity. There are many options out there for open ended composition, Skram is an an instrument in it's own right with it's own vocabulary. Basically what I'm hoping is that with your team's direction and skillset, you'll be one of the first to achieve this fluidity without reducing composition to the lowest and most immediately pleasing common denominator (which unfortunately, is probably a good financial decision in the app store..).

    I'm actually working on a highly music theory/composition system focused master thesis right now (I think leaning slightly more towards instrumental performance than your PhD) and I'm finding the exact same things that you mentioned.. over and over again.. I will certainly be getting deep into your PhD document. Could you inbox me your email address please? I'd like to fire over a message personally.

    Oh yeah I'm also touring in Berlin later this year with the group I perform iOS music heavily in!

    O

  • edited April 2016

    @OscarSouth said:
    With regards to the music theory/composition stuff, what I'm hoping that you'll achieve is a flexibility to take composition/performance out of the frame (and get a bit more in depth with performance potential) [...] There are many options out there for open ended composition,

    What do you mean when you say "out of the frame" and "open ended composition"?

    I'm actually working on a highly music theory/composition system focused master thesis right now (I think leaning slightly more towards instrumental performance than your PhD) and I'm finding the exact same things that you mentioned.. over and over again.. I will certainly be getting deep into your PhD document. Could you inbox me your email address please? I'd like to fire over a message personally.

    Oh yeah I'm also touring in Berlin later this year with the group I perform iOS music heavily in!

    Cool! Lemme know when you're in Berlin, would love to catch the show if I'm in town! Drop me a note anytime -> [email protected]

  • edited April 2016

    Thanks very much, will send an email over later.

    I'm speaking in a broad and metaphorical sense, but in a somewhat practical way what I mean is being able to get deeper into the compositional process after the initial inspiration and allow the composition (whether prepared or in performance) and form to be developed in a thoughtful way.

    I really like working with alternative input methods (it's the the same thing as playing a guitar in alternate tuning really, isn't it?) but after initial 'cool!' factor wears off I'm often left wanting something a little deeper than just creating arpeggiator textures and turning a low pass filter. Seeing the background of your team is exactly the reason that I have high hopes in this regard.

    Personally, I'm one of those guys that after the initial spark of inspiration is happy to excruciatingly pull apart the possibility of a sound creation process and 'reverse engineer' it to get what I want out, in pursuit of the full development of the idea. It doesn't need to be intentional functionality, it just needs to be deep enough to make your own possibilities!

    I'm not sure if I'm nailing this down very tightly but I hope I'm clarifying a little. If it's of any interest, another app which I feel a similar way about (limitless potential and a wonderful idea/interface, but although further along in it's growth still very throttled in practical possibility) is Fugue Machine.

  • @liinegareth said:
    No Audiobus, IAA, Link or MIDI sync in this first release. You can currently record a performance and get it out by emailing in-app or you can find it in "File Sharing" in the "Apps" tab in iTunes.

    Can you do this via the iPad or do we need to connect to a computer to access the files ? Would like to buy this app but concerned over the hassle involved in recording the output

  • @carol said:

    @liinegareth said:
    No Audiobus, IAA, Link or MIDI sync in this first release. You can currently record a performance and get it out by emailing in-app or you can find it in "File Sharing" in the "Apps" tab in iTunes.

    Can you do this via the iPad or do we need to connect to a computer to access the files ? Would like to buy this app but concerned over the hassle involved in recording the output

    You can email the recording, from the iPad, without being connected to a computer.

  • @liine_nick said:

    @carol said:

    @liinegareth said:
    No Audiobus, IAA, Link or MIDI sync in this first release. You can currently record a performance and get it out by emailing in-app or you can find it in "File Sharing" in the "Apps" tab in iTunes.

    Can you do this via the iPad or do we need to connect to a computer to access the files ? Would like to buy this app but concerned over the hassle involved in recording the output

    You can email the recording, from the iPad, without being connected to a computer.

    As said in another thread you can "send by mail", don't send anything and save draft and then download the attachment from drafts

  • Also, please make it universal. I was just killing time a few minutes ago. Opened up skram, screwed around a bit, just realized you can control the intensity of each pad by drawing in/out, liked what I came up with, etc. Realized it'd be cool if I could have this on my phone to play with on the go. :)

  • The first thing that needs to be fixed is the audio dropout. From what I have seen it happens consistently right around 2 minutes 7 seconds. Otherwise it's a cool app.

  • @anickt said:
    The first thing that needs to be fixed is the audio dropout. From what I have seen it happens consistently right around 2 minutes 7 seconds. Otherwise it's a cool app.

    Yes, thanks for the report. It is now a documented bug and was already forwarded to the developers.

  • @liine_nick said:

    @anickt said:
    The first thing that needs to be fixed is the audio dropout. From what I have seen it happens consistently right around 2 minutes 7 seconds. Otherwise it's a cool app.

    Yes, thanks for the report. It is now a documented bug and was already forwarded to the developers.

    I was pretty sure it had already been brought up but didn't realize that it seemed to be happening at about the same time so I thought I'd note that.
    Thanks for the cool app!

  • @mschenkel.it said:

    @liine_nick said:

    @carol said:

    @liinegareth said:
    No Audiobus, IAA, Link or MIDI sync in this first release. You can currently record a performance and get it out by emailing in-app or you can find it in "File Sharing" in the "Apps" tab in iTunes.

    Can you do this via the iPad or do we need to connect to a computer to access the files ? Would like to buy this app but concerned over the hassle involved in recording the output

    You can email the recording, from the iPad, without being connected to a computer.

    As said in another thread you can "send by mail", don't send anything and save draft and then download the attachment from drafts

    Ok thanks . I don't use the iPad for email , guess I'll have to set something up if I get the app . Bit if a faff though .

  • @aaronpc said:
    This app reminds me of (stay with me here) a shitty little toy app I sometimes trumpet called Color Chime

    Thanks for the tip, it's a fun little noisemaker.

  • @Paul16 said:

    @aaronpc said:
    This app reminds me of (stay with me here) a shitty little toy app I sometimes trumpet called Color Chime

    Thanks for the tip, it's a fun little noisemaker.

    Finally! Though I may still be crazy, I am at least not alone.

  • edited April 2016

    Just want to add here that regardless of any functionality discussion here, I LOVE the synth sounds in this app SO DAMN MUCH. Powerfully much. I want these sounds in my recordings, I want these sounds at concerts. I want to use the built in sequencing tools in these situations. Some of my favourite sounds in the whole iOS ecosystem and DAMN THEM for being locked away in their fun little box.

    O

  • @OscarSouth said:
    Just want to add here that regardless of any functionality discussion here, I LOVE the synth sounds in this app SO DAMN MUCH. Powerfully much. I want these sounds in my recordings, I want these sounds at concerts. I want to use the built in sequencing tools in these situations. Some of my favourite sounds in the whole iOS ecosystem and DAMN THEM for being locked away in their fun little box.

    I hear yah dude! I just got it this morning, love the sounds and am playing it with the Novation Circuit, the two compliment each other so well! Time for a bit of DAW recording/mashing...

  • @AudioGus said:
    I hear yah dude! I just got it this morning, love the sounds and am playing it with the Novation Circuit, the two compliment each other so well! Time for a bit of DAW recording/mashing...

    Would love to hear what you come up with!!

  • @aaronpc said:
    This app reminds me of (stay with me here) a shitty little toy app I sometimes trumpet called Color Chime. It's not because of the looks— Color Chime looks terrible, and not only that the sounds are lousy, there's no AB, no MIDI, no saves, no nothing. Despite all this I keep coming back to it because it's so immediate and error averse, without making you feel like a mere passenger. You can throw together something in 30 seconds, love it or scrap it and try again. I've done things with Color Chime I was so desperate to get at that I recorded into Live and spent considerable time trying to "Audio to MIDI" the magic out. They should check into it, because it still has a few tricks such as per note volume and dynamic quantization they could utilize.

    I must have it on my phone, though. Spin it off or universalize it, but it must be done so I can finally trash Color Chime.

    Thanks for that. Working great on my iPad Air. Fun little app!

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