Noise Accumulation or Structure Devolution?

skiphunt

When you get a nice composition structure going, then pile on effects, then feed that I to a mangling app and tweak the heck out of all the LFO automation, then feed that into yet a 3rd and 4th mangler...

Eventually this turns into noise.

Is this due to an accumulation of noise from each layer of processing until the noose just takes over?

Or, is noise the natural evolution or devolution of randomized structure?

richardyot

I guess it's entropy: the more you mangle, the more you lose the harmonics and intervals that differentiate music from noise. Music has a mathematical structure to it, that's what makes it sound good, and as you mangle that gets destroyed.

skiphunt

@richardyot said:
I guess it's entropy: the more you mangle, the more you lose the harmonics and intervals that differentiate music from noise. Music has a mathematical structure to it, that's what makes it sound good, and as you mangle that gets destroyed.

But as you mangle, new harmonic structure seems to also randomly emerge from the entropy as well. Often more pleasant than the original melodic/mathematical structure.

Curious at what point new interesting structures stop emerging randomly from the chaos, into just noise only. Or, if an accumulation of processing noise is also partly to blame for ending the evolutionary sonic party.

carol

Is the noise really mangled though , or are the noisey artifacts artificially created by the fx and manglers ?

skiphunt

@carol said:
Is the noise really mangled though , or are the noisey artifacts artificially created by the fx and manglers ?

Good question.

carol

@skiphunt said:

@carol said:
Is the noise really mangled though , or are the noisey artifacts artificially created by the fx and manglers ?

Good question.

Sometimes im disappointed with the quality of a heavily effected sound using ios . Using hardware you can build incredible soundscapes using layers of fx , but on the ipad it tends to deteriorate into either a bitcrushed harsh noise or muffled mush

JeffChasteen

@richardyot said:
I guess it's entropy: the more you mangle, the more you lose the harmonics and intervals that differentiate music from noise. Music has a mathematical structure to it, that's what makes it sound good, and as you mangle that gets destroyed.

This!

null____void

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carol

@rhcball said:
Some Fugue Machine as the meaty high-protein filling, wrapped in slices of noise, sample reduction, glitch, reversed vocals about alien conspiracies, you get your nutrition and your debased pleasure in one convenient dinner entree.

sounds great lol

skiphunt

@carol said:

@skiphunt said:

@carol said:
Is the noise really mangled though , or are the noisey artifacts artificially created by the fx and manglers ?

Good question.

Sometimes im disappointed with the quality of a heavily effected sound using ios . Using hardware you can build incredible soundscapes using layers of fx , but on the ipad it tends to deteriorate into either a bitcrushed harsh noise or muffled mush

Agreed, but sometimes if I take a couple of those bitcrushed muffled mush tracks, run them through some mastering tweaking to pull out the good bits out of the mush, then morph those together, it can sound interesting & lush again.

But I know what you mean. I don't have hardware experience, so I didn't know the bitcrushed mush isn't always how it has to be with heavy processing.

This makes me think it has more to do with the limitations of iOS algorithms & the hardware, instead of natural progression of structural entropy?

skiphunt

@rhcball said:
Some Fugue Machine as the meaty high-protein filling, wrapped in slices of noise, sample reduction, glitch, reversed vocals about alien conspiracies, you get your nutrition and your debased pleasure in one convenient dinner entree.

Oh dear gawd I'm jonesin' for fugue machine bad but was holding out for a Spring sale. Might not be able to hold out much longer though.