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more like a DJ?

HmtxHmtx
in General App Discussion

An iOS performer is often doing way more than the average stage musician. A recent topic about stereo performances https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/12951/stereo-for-live-performances reminded me of the complexity of an iOS setup with custom FX and EQing on stage, before the signal gets to the soundboard.

It makes me wonder, shouldn't we all be on stage DJ-style with headphones? A mono stage monitor isn't going to provide the ability to monitor everything exactly how we need it. Anyone out there wear full headphones on stage with iOS?

Comments

  • FlightManualFlightManual

    Always. My headphones are used to cue things up and preview sounds. Since I like to play with live musicians, it helps to know that I'm going to fit in the mix.

  • blanksmaidenblanksmaiden

    i'd be interested to hear how you guys do cueing with stuff that isn't specifically built for it. for example, djay2 can output to an audio interface in addition to the headphone out so you can hook yr headphones up to one and cue shit up, but i don't know if alot of other audio apps do that, so how do you do it when the app doesn't have that functionality built in?

  • HmtxHmtx

    yeah, that's tricky. Now you are into actual DJing territory, beyond my expertise.

  • j_liljedahlj_liljedahl
    edited April 2016

    You could use a 4 channel USB audio interface and set up a cue-monitor bus in AUM that sends to the headphones only. Then use pre-fader sends from other channels, or just ejecting and replacing the output node. :)

    Unfortunately the "multiroute" category used by djay2 seems to not function properly together with other apps, but I'll investigate it some more because it's pretty cool and a simple way to get an extra headphone output. Maybe it works better now in 9.3, one can only hope.

  • HmtxHmtx

    ^this. I had typed about 8 lines trying to explain using AUM to do exactly that... and realized I didn't know what I was talking about even though I knew it would work :o

    so thanks for stepping in before I made a fool of myself @j_liljedahl

    and to clarify you need an audio interface that has 4 channel output or one that is geared toward DJ use and identifies it's headphone out as channels 3-4 in Core Audio.

  • j_liljedahlj_liljedahl

    hmm, maybe it would be cool with a dedicated cue toggle for each channel, that bypasses the output and instead sends the signal to a configured headphone output? :)

  • HmtxHmtx

    that would be very cool.

  • WillWill

    @j_liljedahl said:
    hmm, maybe it would be cool with a dedicated cue toggle for each channel, that bypasses the output and instead sends the signal to a configured headphone output? :)

    I promise that I would abuse that feature for other purposes.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @syrupcore said:

    @j_liljedahl said:
    hmm, maybe it would be cool with a dedicated cue toggle for each channel, that bypasses the output and instead sends the signal to a configured headphone output? :)

    I promise that I would abuse that feature for other purposes.

    +1

  • crifytospcrifytosp

    Shame iOS doesn't let you use USB Audio and the (soon to be removed) headphone out

  • j_liljedahlj_liljedahl

    @crifytosp said:
    Shame iOS doesn't let you use USB Audio and the (soon to be removed) headphone out

    It does, actually. It's what's called "Multiroute", and apps like djay2 are using it. However, as I said before, it doesn't seem to play very well together with other apps or Audiobus/Inter-App Audio scenarios. Also it made my Focusrite interface produce a high-frequency buzzing noise when I plugged in/out headphones in my iPad.. But I haven't tried it since iOS 9.1 so maybe it's been improved.

  • crifytospcrifytosp

    hmm, interesting. Time to investigate, thanks.

  • mister_rzmister_rz

    I think a few benefits with having headphones for live performances from a dj point of view, is the times when you have poor stage monitor speakers, speakers that are to far away or the main pa is overpowering stage monitors that are already cranked or the few times you might encounter no monitoring at all, which is rare thank god.

    One thing I'd suggest though especially in very loud environments is maybe consider buying actual dj headphones as they are hyped in a way to make them heard still at high volume and usually have good sound isolation too. But even more important is to protect your ears as much as possible, tinnitus is a pita.

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