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What's closest to your workflow?
In another thread I listed my somewhat convoluted workflow. Some comments got me thinking what do people do with iOS.
Just a poll. I know somebody will have something completely different. So mark the one closest and then say what's different.
- What's the closest to your work flow?43 votes
- I work within an iOS DAW mostly (Auria etc)  9.30%
- I work within a stand alone music app mostly (Gadget etc)  6.98%
- I work in many apps then use either DAW or standalone to put it all together.25.58%
- I work in many apps to make loops to trigger from Launchpad etc.  9.30%
- I have a few select apps for a tight music making workflow.  4.65%
- I fly by the seat of my pants....what is a workflow?13.95%
- I create in my iOS device and computer at the same time.  6.98%
- I use my iOS device as a live instrument.  9.30%
- I record instruments into my iOS device or use it as a backing track.  0.00%
- My iOS device is part of a hardware setup and midi is my friend.13.95%
Comments
all of the above
All are the closest. Surely you use one approach just a bit more than all the others.
One option is missing:"I buy a lot of stuff, turn some knobs and buy something else. Repeat."
Lots of options missing. Is that your workflow?
Yeah I think my option is missing too ) The closest is " fly by the seat of my pants....what is a workflow? "
Basically I play all my synths and samplers live in aum , recording the live mix into audioshare . Sometimes I'll use garageband but mostly I work with saved setups played and recorded live . So I have a workflow , but its a live seat of the pants one !!!
Sounds more live instrument to me
I’m seriously considering changing my workflow. Previously I’d create a whole piece of a track (i.e., a verse or a chorus or a middle eight) in an app, isolated from anything else but fulfilling specifications and criteria. Then I’d spend hassle getting it over to Logic Pro X where the real work of moving it here and there on a grid can occur. I’m not sure that is the best way to proceed for the future, for me. I think I do that because that’s how I used to work in the 20th century, on tape. Now in 2016 I’m open to more modern options, so I’m interested in what transpires here.
@u0421793
Yep considering a change myself. I'm spending too much time shifting files around and then deleting files from certain apps.
Where's the option for Try stuff, try again, try a different way ... HULK SMASH ...check the forum?
Not really , im playing it live but still recording on the ipad so its ' workflow , live playing and recording ' lol
Hmmm think that would be fly by the seat of your pants.....even if they are HULK pants
Pick live....it looks lonely
Not sure I could pick one option over another. Depends what day of the week it is
I picked the Launchpad option, as this is my current 'fashion'
I have used all other approaches at some point, and have no fixed way of working. Have to agree with the file moving comments though regarding your own workflow, sometimes ios feels more like like a file management exercise than a music making one.
You're a another fly by the seat of you're pants kinda guy then
Not really, well not totally. I just like to explore different ways of doing things and haven't really settled on a something I could call a workflow yet.
Yeah and sometimes I overcook those files. I get too carried away with manipulating those loops
I don't think many of us here always stick to one workflow
There was a clip played repeatedly on Radio 6 (a UK radio station) where McCartney was saying something along the lines of "We don't work music, we play music". This is quite an apt quote and one that speaks about people's approach to creative work.
@AndyPlankton @Jocphone
I think it's good sometimes to take yourself out of your comfort blanket. @AndyPlankton and myself have tried a bit of collaborating on a piece and it's been a great learning process for myself.
When I've jammed with friends, it's been pretty much a band situation. I've done certain parts while they all do their parts. Using a linear DAW approach with my loops approach and sending off for someone else to add bits, has made me realise I need to cut back and simplify.
I'm still not sure the using cut and paste loop approach works in a linear DAW for myself.
Intereresting pole. I voted midi lover, I like to get technical connecting things up, not caring about producing just making sounds and loops. ModStep has made me very happy.
That's where I am most of the time but I feel most effective at composing with just Gadget. I aspire to use Auria to finalize the process but usually just use Mastering, if anything
In a band situation when everyone is jamming, everything gets very busy until something clicks then naturally players will pull back / adapt their playing to either accent or make space for the good bits to come through. I will call this the discovery process.
When using cut and paste on a timeline you are pretty much committing to those parts and will be less inclined to drop the parts or edit them to reduce velocity, shorten notes, pull back on a filter or whatever, until much later than would happen during discovery, which slows the whole process down, or even worse means a tracks full potential never gets reached.
As an example if you look at Gadget, when you start on the first scene, you will get something going amazingly quickly. As you add more scenes and start playing the track linearly instead of infinite loop mode you will see a decrease in how much you experiment (try to discover). This is because the amount of time needed to change things has increased.
It is mainly for this reason that I am now putting everything MIDI into ModStep and then Audio into Wave/Launchpad as this forces me to 'play' the parts so the only committal comes from my playing, meaning I can change it very quickly. If you want to change an arrangement with copy pasted parts you have some editing to do which slows the change process down, which in turn slows down the discovery process.
If you are not using a loop player and solely working in a linear DAW then setting loop points and using mutes can be effective for jamming with existing loops.
For me the time to go for a DAW when working with loop based material is AFTER you have found your almost complete arrangement within your loop player and are ready for doing a complete mix of that arrangement.
@AndyPlankton
A lot of sense there
It's finding my way since going to iPad. Before when I had hardware, a keyboard line played may have cued the initial process or even a set of lyrics buzzing around in my head. Now I've been starting off with beats
The beats thing happened to me too, try playing keys with just a metronome to find a groove, then add the beats to work with the groove you get going afterwards. Straight away it becomes about the tune again, and if you have a good tune, and good lyrics, you can pretty much do what you want to it and will still sound good
You mean old fashioned song writing! Yeah worth a try
I voted the first one, but really the top three in the list is pretty much how I work on iOS. So it's Cubasis where I start and end up, usually. Stand alone's like Gadget, BeatHawk and even GarageBand I use for whole tracks but mostly for just certain instrument or percussion parts; then #3) put it all together in Cubasis.
Seat of Pants. Recently I've been doing everything in MTS. Apart from the 32 track limit for non Pro ipads it just works. Auria is a monster but it's easy to overload when you treat it like a PC DAW.
There are three options that really feel like my workflow. In the end it comes down to record half on iOS daw (apps and synth toys) then eventually get it over to PC daw where i then mix and still use ipads as instruments and fx.
After three years of being mostly distracted by process i am finaly back to a place where it is about creative ideas again. I was hoping to be 90% mobile (due to time constraints) but have settled for what feels like 50/50.
My recording style involves much "1 take" or "live" recording of the song or a good portion of it. The slight 'off' nature here and there adds to the sound. It also leads to emotionally charged performances that can be heard as opposed to pre programmed MIDI notes or copy and pasting a bunch of things. That is no fun for me any more. I figured I love the "live" sound, so I am trying to record and emulate that.
As for worflow, I actually do much of the drums/percussion and for the song before hand. I load them into Launchpad. This is usually 9-12 loops. Usually Patterning, Imaschine & SeakBeats.
Bass comes from BASSLINE usually. If not, I am triggering the bass in another app with it.
OR I have recorded and loaded loops into in Launchpad. Depends on if it will be tweaked /filter/cutoff/ etc during take/performance/session. I am also cozying up to ZMors for my basslines. It has the 4 x 4 tracks also help with my recording style. The more on the app of sounds the better.
Animoog is pretty well a staple for me.(I can get 5 different sounds from it so it covers alot for me). Otherwise, probably ADDICTIVE synth because of the 4 track on it. I can get some sick sounds for ADDICTIVE.
Then I have one "touch" app like a SAMPLR(usually), TRIGGLER, or TC to play leads and related.
I also use the Elltiot Garage apps when needed and DRC synth once it is working 100%. My loops are constructed before hand on GROUP THE LOOP and LOOPERSONIC that are then put in LAUNCHPAD or the SAMPLES app to play during recording.
RECORD all of it live in 1 take. 2 if it really requires. Then mix and its good to go.
I think that is the quickest way to explain it without over doing details.