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Piano app comparison and the next level for our tablet
So after all these apps and after all the A/B comparison, I find that the piano apps are missing the character element, plus the sympathetic string resonance, pedal down samples etc. Although the size is bigger than the older days, the sound isn't phat(in moog terms)
When you hear a Schimmel, Bechstein, Bosendorfen, Steinway or Fazziolli Grand (or Upright), the character of the instruments plus the quality of the manufacturer give this great sound.And the thousands of dollars.
I don't expect to have a fazziolli that worth 70000 euros in my ipad, but good samples should be always the point for a good app or vst.
Korg Module: Ok a good effort, but sounds thin in my ears even with the Ivory samples.
Igrand: A big step when it launched, a toy right now.
CMP Grand: Same as module. Even the expanded Bechstein piano.
In matters of electric pianos, the neo soul keys app sounds as close to the real thing as no other.
Module comes next with great Rhodes Sound, but lacks a little bit on the bark side of the instrument.Wurly is a puppy.
ilectric third, ok a good try.
The next big step should be the physical modelling solution, as I have checked on physis h1 piano it sounded extremely close to the real thing.I don't know the technology they use exactly to recreate the samples but I think that ipad can handle these elements.
Please share your opinions.
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Auria Pro comes with very fine pianos, if you want a Bösendorfer soundfont for 20qd ... http://www.realisticpiano.com/Details.html
I'm definitely hoping for something better than what Module's Ivory to come along. But with how Apple is always gimping it's devices' storage and ram, it's hard to imagine app developers releasing a high end sample-based piano comparable to what's available on PCs that goes upwards of 30gbs because of how little units they'll move in sales. I also doubt anyone skilled with the piano modelling technology will move into the app market soon. Makes me quite sad
are you saying this 20 MB soundfont sounds better than the 2 GB cmp Bechstein? or 2 GB Ivory in module?
I admire IK multimedia, but I haven't used grand or electric for ages.
I think the only way we'll get a truly great piano on iPad is physical modeling. Here's a demo I made with pianoteq. The sympathetic string resonance is incredible.
Alas, it could totally be made for iPad , but probably won't because it wouldn't be profitable. Pianoteq says they have no plans for an iPad version.
Best piano on iPad: Korg module ivory, but not without some serious eq manipulation in AUM. Out of the box, most iPad pianos are horribly EQed with the exception of igrand.
Many Stage pianos use a mix of Samples and physical modelling. They still manage to keep the size down.
To be perfectly honest though my piano skill and the way I use piano does not really require much more than I have already on iOS
I'm not a fan of the NeoSoul Keys for the iPad, but I'm a bit of a stickler. I don't think anything on a PC really nails a Rhodes or Wurlie either. Of course, I've got an MKI Rhodes and 200a, so maybe I'm a bit too snobbish.
In the mix, not too many would notice.
@ion677, well done on that! I have the latest Pianoteq, but I just haven't gotten the pianos in it to sound as real as yours. Something always sounds off when I play it, so I just revert to a few of my samples.
@Fruitbat1919 if Apple made Mainstage for iPad, I'd buy it again. Best $30 I've ever spent on software for Mac.
Alex, any opinion an the quality of the pianos in Sampletank, both iOS and Mac/Win?
I have it both and the Mac AU-version sounds really great...
Here is another Pianoteq demo. After acquiring Pianoteq4 software for my Mac, I wanted to quickly lay something down to test whether it sounded like a real piano.
I might record another Pianoteq improvisation, then take the same MIDI file and apply it to iOS iGrand Piano and Module Natural Grand.
The Synthogy Ivory samples for Module are 2 GB. The Synthogy Ivory Grand Pianos for computers are 28 GB.
If you have 128 GB or 256 GB iPad, then that is doable. There's no reason why they couldn't offer that except that I don't know how cheaply they'd be willing to sell their $130 software. But that stuff is there if you have a computer and want the sounds.
@bsantoro very nice. Another reason pianoteq rocks: 128 different levels of velocity. Most sampled pianos have 4, and the better ones might have 10 layers.
Playing it feels VERY expressive.
I think two reasons that we don't see more "high quality" piano apps on iOS are 1) file size limitations and 2) overall demand.
While there is certainly a segment of the iOS music community that wants a high quality piano app, it seems that the majority of music being made on iOS is either of the synth or EDM variety, or some quality guitar apps.
That said, there is a good argument for one company to come in and dominate that piano segment. But, I remember when Crudebyte entered the market with their iSymphonic and Oriental Strings apps at $54.99, and they were raked over the coals for that effort. I'm not sure if the cost vs. effort is there for a developer of high quality sample-based apps on iOS.
And each of us have our own parabola of cost/want. I was a bit sniffy about iSymphonic at the outset, but have it all now and would punch any child in the snoot who tried to take it away from me...
I'm used to the old days.. The Yamaha SY 85 with only 6 megabytes of memory for the entire sound set.. Or the Korg 01w. Even the Yamaha Motif XS has less than a gigabyte of sounds total , so 2 gig for a single piano sound feels downright luxurious to me.. and yes, the musitech, sounds great. Hope they make it for ios
Currently Auria Pro's Lyra is the best option, not much because its included pianos, but because it can play large EXS sounds, such as Imperfect Samples' Fazioli Grand (north of ten gigs). No other sample player or piano app on iOS can compete with that.
128 velocity layers? IMO just wasting GBs. 8/16 should be enough with some intelligent mapping. 8 bits were intended so you can get ppp, pp, p, normal, f, FF, fff + 1; 128 samples per note per 128 notes makes 10k+ samples. I truly believe it is all for good but I really would like to hear and meter a pianist which could actually and consciously articulate 128 different velocities.(and also for the same reason I don't believe all of the 128 layers were recorded)
@mschenkel.it that's the beauty of it. The program is only 40 megabytes. It's almost completely done by physical modeling, I.e. It uses the computer's cpu to "guess" what the piano should sound like using some very complicated algorithms. It only has 128 layers of velocity because that's how many layers midi has.
the pianoteq demos sound amazing!!! if only we had that on iOS
@ion677
It makes so much more sense this way. My bad I didn't any research prior to post.
@nick said:
It sounds good enough to me, from an original historical instrument.
I get what you mean though, and as for it being sampled in 16bit, it needs eq, but I'm content to being able to play with it. Fond of the characteristics.
@ion677 & @bsantoro nice demos!
Also note, the Korg 01W (allegedly called that because marketing read the intended name upside down - the M10) had its PCM samples at only 32KHz (which helped them all fit in).
Stupid question: how do you put your own samples into Lyra in Auria Pro?
I have searched the Auria-forum but can't find any good tutorial how to put an own intrument in Auria...
I have Logic Pro X on my Macbook and it would be nice to test out the Yamaha Grand Piano in Lyra on Auria Pro...
But how do you do it?
As far as I know you should create your own sound font library in logic sampler, export it and then load it into lyra's folder via iTunes. Check page 82 of the manual which probably explains it better than I can
@mschenkel.it, no need to export as Sound Found: Auria's Lyra can load EXS directly. That said, reading the manual is always great advice. All the best!
P.S.: @ErrkaPetti, the potential issue here is that most Logic built-in EXS instruments use the .caf extension for the samples, which Auria cannot read, so they won't load even with you following the manual by the letter. Therefore, be prepared to convert them to .wav!
P.P.S.: Here's a quick tutorial that worked for me with other EXS instruments (didn't try the Yamaha Grand Piano). Follow to the letter!
P.P.P.S: should work, but if doesn't, report here: http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=13656
Thank's!
But, before I try this, is iFunBox compatible with iPad Pro and iOS 9.31?
Is'nt that "backdoor" closed by Apple?