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ModStep or Infinite Looper?
Hello everyone,
This is an honest question, not snarky trolling.
For the last 8 months or so, I have been working a lot and have had no time for iOS music fun. Recently, this has eased up just slightly, so I picked up Infinite Looper in a dazed free moment thinking this would be what Genome just never was (for me anyway). Then I noticed all the ravings about ModStep...
So, in an overview type of way, what is the difference between Infinite Looper and ModStep? Under what circumstances would one be more applicable? And finally, why are some people calling ModStep the Ableton Live for the iPad?
Thanks for the insights I know you all will have.
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This kind of question hurts people's feeling! Too honest would put someone's heart in grave. All apps different! I have so many sequencers, arps, keyboard controllers. Do they have no uses after all?
That is why I wrote midiSteps to Modstep!
That is why I wrote Modstep to Auria!
That is why I wrote Modstep to AUM!
Frankly, you can do all Modstep without AUM! But I just want people to know all apps can be toghether! Don't like a group of fish to one sided! Buy them all!
Cheers!
Modstep is a little more complex(very deep, but once you know how the app works, great!)..... Infinite Looper is more simpler. I found modstep a little buggy(once you make above 5 instrument tracks, I found record another not working, IE: recording no more data, even when I've restarted the iPad).... Infinite Looper is restricted to tracks(only 6). I suppose Infinate Looper & maybe Modstep, an offspring child of Loopy? But Modstep towards the midi side of things?
Yeah, I love Audiobus and AB remote specially with Patterning. I also love AUM with Navichord, iMPC pro and Modstep.
Then I also love Infinite Looper with all of the above.
In summary, get both!
Modstep, you are meant to make as many tracks as your device can handle( developer description)........ Infinate loops is not.
To be honest I bought infinite looper thinking it would be useful to me. Instead I find it's just way too buggy. Maybe it will become worthwhile in a few updates hence why I'm keeping it but between Modstep,steppolyarp, thumbjam (for scale locking) and midisteps it doesn't seem like infinite looper fits anywhere in my current workflow.
Personally I use ModStep, but this is because I want the in-depth control that it gives you, I also considered InfiniteLooper because of its simplicity in recording, I haven't purchased IL because I think any time I saved with recording would be lost transferring the midi to ModStep.
If I didn't want the in-depth control then I would purchase IL and probably not use ModStep.
Neither is better than the other overall, but each has it's own benefits in different areas.
Infinite Looper - App for looping something quickly, when you want to try ideas. Some people say you can loop in ModStep, but it'll take you 100x as long to learn how to loop in ModStep.
ModStep - App for putting together music when you know exactly what you want. This is the "bring it all together" app.
+1 to what @GovernorSilver said. Infinite Looper is immediate in away that Modstep really isn't.
Infinite looper looks great but I didn't get it because after watching some videos I realised I could do similar things in Modstep. But then I know Modstep pretty well and I can see the appeal of IL over MS to a user who doesn't know them well yet.
Modstep is great for jamming and trying ideas, that's what I use it most for. But the learning curve is bigger.
For me MS has immediacy and depth, but you have to put in some time to get there.
This isn't to say I won't ever get IL, will see how it develops.
Well, let's ask @wally to crack Cream Mobile step by step.
" > @Kaikoo2 said:
I'll 2nd That one
Exactly my thoughts and ModStep is a king of modulation....
Actually I realize they have different workflow in looping. In Modstep when you trigger a clip on a track it stops others playing (aka mute group) on the same track ,a bit annoying for me. Also you have to create clips fist ,arm the tracks and then record. In InfLooper clips are ready to record (although you still have to manually set the lenght ,in both apps) and in the same track you can trigger as many clips you want at the same time.
Ya, different tastes for different users, that is all about.
to be fair you can do similar stuff to Infinite looper by having multiple tracks sending their midi to the same synth. modstep uses the same clip implementation as Ableton so when you click a clip in 1 track it stops the others playing. but just like Ableton if you have multiple tracks sending midi to one output source you can have multiple midi clips layering over each other.
I think you've asked and answered it here. For most folks MS doesn't have the immediacy which probably only comes with some study and repetition. And thus the dopamine rush is delayed. What's good to hear is that once the steps become second nature then, certainly, I can see that the depth might become freeing rather than constricting.
I really think people exagerrate the learning curve re: modstep, i'm nowhere near a skilled MIDI technician and I got it figured out in a few hours after checking the manual a few times. THE PROBLEM WITH THESE KIDS TODAY is that they want everything explained in a goddamn YOUTUBE video, thanks to you the world's great manual authors are gonna be living under bridges pretty soon.
We want infinite loops but instant gratification!
Initial Sketch Idea = INFINITE LOOPER
More details = more detailed app later on. Infinite options
Trouble is there are very few great manual authors
Wonder if that may have actually worked to your advantage a bit with Modstep. I've been using midi sequencers basically since midi sequencers and I kept running into things that didn't work the way I expected them to.
I'd have been happy with labels on the buttons. And if those buttons helped to communicate state. And had some sense of hierarchy. Edit buttons that look exactly like change view buttons don't help anyone learn the app. They've gone some way towards addressing this in the last update.
After thinking on it a bit, if immediate capture of midi ideas is your goal, that's exactly what infinite looper is geared toward.
Like others have mentioned, just touching a clip arms it for recording and you can (sometimes confusingly) stack clips on the same track. Yes, you can do multiple tracks in Modstep to achieve the same but in infinite looper the process is much quicker—it's what the app was designed for. Similarly, IL has a piano roll editor but if your goal is to edit MIDI ModStep is way ahead.
I really don't think there's an either/or here. They're different apps with different design goals. But if you're wondering what infinite looper's key differentiation is, it's speed/ease of capture. Hopefully Patrick can keep it focused on that over time.
^ Precisely.
I own both apps. but maybe its because i'm an Ableton user that i'm more comfortable with modstep than infinite looper. regardless i'll be keeping an eye on infinite looper to see if it eventually becomes something that will be more useful to me but till then modstep is basically my portable Ableton.
Doesn't Loopy Masterpiece cover similar territory, if it ever gets released? Looping both audio and MIDI? Building songs from patterns? Editing MIDI? Is it something to wait for? Buying everything is getting really expensive.
Also, Genome is a patterned/song constructing looper for MIDI. I went back to it after not using it for a while, and found it very frustrating; not intuitive.
Oh! Infinite Looper very straight forward! You can even start the red button when playhead still running! This app is really for song writer. Inspirational and handy.
If ModStep just had a file player like AUM, it would be even more like Live. I don't think I'll ever go as far as trying to mug the sampler into acting like a sample looper. If I could trigger a file player loop like I can MIDI loops, that would be perfect.
My big question: is Modstep redundant with Cubasis or Auria? I'm attracted to Infinite Looper's ability to export midi (to Cubasis, for instance). And though Wim makes a great point about wrestling with the sampler in Modstep, you can't use any audio files in IL, correct?
One of the most exciting feature of playing music sound is the way to midi sequencing notes. Cubasis is the worst, then Auria rank after! The way of Modstep is most flexible, but the fastest winner on recording/erasing midi track is the InfiniteLooper in iOS.
Modstep is universal but lack of the Fab and PSP. You can sequence Mod to Auira to get the best combo.
No audio file on IL. After few updates, IL will be good enough. But Modstep is my best sequencer love.
There is one more, a multi clip based midi sequencer might be coming is 'midiSequencer'. I will get that one by its IAP purchase if out.
It depends. if you're only doing post production then yes. but if you're live-jamming modsteps step sequencer and xy pads alone make it fantastic. its clip launching abilities make it basically a portable ableton live. So in a live setup jamming with midi clips + its step sequencer Modstep is in a class of its own. adding Thumbjam(for its scale lock) + midisteps + steppolyarp or Appreggist makes it even more fun. I'm probably going to record a video of me sequencing multiple things via modstep+thumbjam+midisteps+step poly arp eventually.