Gadget sketch with Moog Model 15 Bassline

Matt_Fletcher_2000

In case anyone is interested...

(Very much work in progress! Let me know any thoughts).

skiphunt

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
In case anyone is interested...

(Very much work in progress! Let me know any thoughts).

I like that a lot. Especially the play and contrast between the lower bass stuff with the feathery tinkling. Thanks! Just what I was looking for.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

You're welcome... Glad you like it.

Needs work .

Halftone

I like it a lot! So how did you make? Gadget patterns - then the Moog but how did you sequence it?

ExAsperis99

I love the fat Kraftwerk bass with the syncopated hi-hats that simply didn't exist back then.
Can I ask what your workflow was?

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Thanks @Halftone and @ExAsperis99

So here is my workflow. Probably quite unconventional, but I like having everything internal to Gadget and to be able to have everything editable and easy to modulate inside Gadget.

• Loaded and looped my Gadget track (all the sounds apart from the bassline). Right now the "track" is just a sketch of a handful of loops just on scene 1.
• Loaded Model 15 and switched on LINK and synced with Gadget (by the way Gadget and Model 15 both ran together on my Air2 very nicely with no clicks)
• The arp in Model 15 is very useful because I was able to set it up to play along in time with the Gadget tracks while auditioning different Model 15 bass patches
• Settled on a nice thick bass patch in Model 15 (which I tweaked from a factory preset)
• When happy I opened up the filter cutoff in Model 15 way more than needed and sampled an A and an F note into the internal Model 15 recorder - saving both out as files to dropbox
• Then I took these two samples into Bilbao (placing the A on pads 1 and 9 and the F on pads 2 and 10)
• I needed each note sample on two pads (rather than just one) because otherwise the sample cuts off when retriggered in quick succession in Bilbao. If you duplicate onto 2 pads you can alternate between them to get over this monophonic issue in the Gadget samplers
• Then, remember in Model 15 I'd opened up the filter cutoff way too much? This this allowed me to select Gadget's low pass filter as the effect in Bilbao and then automate the cutoff and resonance on the bass patch over 8 bars (if you listen at the start you can hear it). Now to me this sounds pretty good. It certainly means throughout my track I can mess with the cutoff on my Moog bass patch very easily. I know that the purists will say this is sacrilege since I'm using Gadget's filter not Moogs (actually on top of Moog's) - but it sure makes automation in sync with my track a whole lot easier.
• Recored Gadget live into Audioshare using solo, mute and the faders in Gadget to arrange my single scene into a rough track, bringing loops in and out.

So it was all quite quick and easy to get a nice bass sound in Model 15 and then bring it into Gadget like this to use in my track (which usually I spend weeks arranging and tweaking inside Gadget).

Halftone

Thanks. I was aware of it before - but now I'm inspired to sample a few bass notes and try them in Bilboa. I've always tried importing little 1 or 2 bar bassline loops - never just single notes.

Looking forward to hearing the final piece someday.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Yeah, the really nice thing about using single notes is you can easily change or vary your bassline at any time. Add and extra ghosts note here and there, change velocity occasionally, move the position of the notes in the piano roll etc.

So it's much more editable than a short loop.

chisel316

Nice work, Matt. Bilbao is great. I'm producing a vocal trance song which uses Bilbao as the vocal track.

Peace \/
chisel316

eross

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Thanks @Halftone and @ExAsperis99

So here is my workflow. Probably quite unconventional, but I like having everything internal to Gadget and to be able to have everything editable and easy to modulate inside Gadget.

• Loaded and looped my Gadget track (all the sounds apart from the bassline). Right now the "track" is just a sketch of a handful of loops just on scene 1.
• Loaded Model 15 and switched on LINK and synced with Gadget (by the way Gadget and Model 15 both ran together on my Air2 very nicely with no clicks)
• The arp in Model 15 is very useful because I was able to set it up to play along in time with the Gadget tracks while auditioning different Model 15 bass patches
• Settled on a nice thick bass patch in Model 15 (which I tweaked from a factory preset)
• When happy I opened up the filter cutoff in Model 15 way more than needed and sampled an A and an F note into the internal Model 15 recorder - saving both out as files to dropbox
• Then I took these two samples into Bilbao (placing the A on pads 1 and 9 and the F on pads 2 and 10)
• I needed each note sample on two pads (rather than just one) because otherwise the sample cuts off when retriggered in quick succession in Bilbao. If you duplicate onto 2 pads you can alternate between them to get over this monophonic issue in the Gadget samplers
• Then, remember in Model 15 I'd opened up the filter cutoff way too much? This this allowed me to select Gadget's low pass filter as the effect in Bilbao and then automate the cutoff and resonance on the bass patch over 8 bars (if you listen at the start you can hear it). Now to me this sounds pretty good. It certainly means throughout my track I can mess with the cutoff on my Moog bass patch very easily. I know that the purists will say this is sacrilege since I'm using Gadget's filter not Moogs (actually on top of Moog's) - but it sure makes automation in sync with my track a whole lot easier.
• Recored Gadget live into Audioshare using solo, mute and the faders in Gadget to arrange my single scene into a rough track, bringing loops in and out.

So it was all quite quick and easy to get a nice bass sound in Model 15 and then bring it into Gadget like this to use in my track (which usually I spend weeks arranging and tweaking inside Gadget).

very cool man! love that baseline. Feeling like now I am going to have to get moog 15 now. also thanks for that very detailed discription on how you sampled into Bilbao. I'm gonna try this process immediatly

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@chisel316 said:
Nice work, Matt. Bilbao is great. I'm producing a vocal trance song which uses Bilbao as the vocal track.

Peace \/
chisel316

Thanks... It is great. I agree. You can also do some interesting stuff modulating the pitch on a per sample basis.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@eross said:

very cool man! love that baseline. Feeling like now I am going to have to get moog 15 now. also thanks for that very detailed discription on how you sampled into Bilbao. I'm gonna try this process immediately

You're very welcome.

It makes some nice quality bass sounds, certainly.

I think I still prefer Animoog for complex pads and bells and stuff, but MI15 probably now has the top spot on analog squelch.

eross

How did you get your samples into Bilbao. Audiocopy , and Dropbox don't seem to be working for me?

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Dropbox from Model 15.

Then Gadget picking up from Dropbox.

Worked fine for me.

funjunkie27

Nice job on this Matt and kudos on the creative workflow atop your mastery of Gadget!

Hmtx

Great stuff here.

Weird thing happened where I spontaneously sang a vocal verse and chorus as it played. Not sure what to make of it... I guess it means I like the tune ;-)

jbvdb

Good job!
I like how you go about with your workflow!

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Dropbox from Model 15.

Then Gadget picking up from Dropbox.

Worked fine for me.

I'm enjoying the recorder on 15. In some ways it's so 'primitive' I find I make HAM here quite easily, especially as regards samples....which led me back to Gadget import which I have been leading a blind and silent one-man crusade against by not using it for some time now in protest against the lack of increased sample length.

Anyway, do you use Abu much these days? If so, what do you find it most productive for/with?

funjunkie27

@JohnnyGoodyear - I guess I missed the HAM thread. Care to enlighten?

Sorry to derail....please continue.

JohnnyGoodyear

@funjunkie27 said:
@JohnnyGoodyear - I guess I missed the HAM thread. Care to enlighten?

Sorry to derail....please continue.

Happy Accident Moments when something occurs wherein the owner thinks "Jeez, lovely, I'm keeping it and I'm calling it my own..."

funjunkie27

Ohhhh....I need that one!

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Dropbox from Model 15.

Then Gadget picking up from Dropbox.

Worked fine for me.

I'm enjoying the recorder on 15. In some ways it's so 'primitive' I find I make HAM here quite easily, especially as regards samples....which led me back to Gadget import which I have been leading a blind and silent one-man crusade against by not using it for some time now in protest against the lack of increased sample length.

Anyway, do you use Abu much these days? If so, what do you find it most productive for/with?

Hi Johnny,

I liked your sealion track on the other thread by the way.

The recorder on Module 15 is indeed primitive. But it's nice not having to launch anything else to record samples and its great that it saves out to Dropbox.

I've been avoiding sample input in Gadget too. Partly because I'm enjoying seemlessly moving between iPhone and iPad but sadly samples don't copy accross via iCloud.

Abu - I have been exploring the preset sounds that come with it a little bit - for added top percussion they can be quite nice (eg the bicycle ones) - especially if you tweak them a bit and throw them in off the beat. Reversing and slowing down is also something I should try more of.

Other than that, no not really. I tend to use Bilbao because you can get more in there, and I don't do much crazy sample slicing (maybe I should).

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd create some nice 16 or 8 hit 'kits' in Mersenne for Abu. That really is something I should do actually .

Abu and Bilbao are in many ways very similar (in the way I use them anyway).

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@funjunkie27 said:
Nice job on this Matt and kudos on the creative workflow atop your mastery of Gadget!

Thanks man...

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@jbvdb said:
Good job!
I like how you go about with your workflow!

Thanks

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@Hmtx said:
Great stuff here.

Weird thing happened where I spontaneously sang a vocal verse and chorus as it played. Not sure what to make of it... I guess it means I like the tune ;-)

Thanks.

Did you record it??? If so please do share!

JohnnyGoodyear

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Dropbox from Model 15.

Then Gadget picking up from Dropbox.

Worked fine for me.

I'm enjoying the recorder on 15. In some ways it's so 'primitive' I find I make HAM here quite easily, especially as regards samples....which led me back to Gadget import which I have been leading a blind and silent one-man crusade against by not using it for some time now in protest against the lack of increased sample length.

Anyway, do you use Abu much these days? If so, what do you find it most productive for/with?

Hi Johnny,

I liked your sealion track on the other thread by the way.

The recorder on Module 15 is indeed primitive. But it's nice not having to launch anything else to record samples and its great that it saves out to Dropbox.

I've been avoiding sample input in Gadget too. Partly because I'm enjoying seemlessly moving between iPhone and iPad but sadly samples don't copy accross via iCloud.

Abu - I have been exploring the preset sounds that come with it a little bit - for added top percussion they can be quite nice (eg the bicycle ones) - especially if you tweak them a bit and throw them in off the beat. Reversing and slowing down is also something I should try more of.

Other than that, no not really. I tend to use Bilbao because you can get more in there, and I don't do much crazy sample slicing (maybe I should).

If I wasn't so lazy, I'd create some nice 16 or 8 hit 'kits' in Mersenne for Abu. That really is something I should do actually .

Abu and Bilbao are in many ways very similar (in the way I use them anyway).

Thanks for your feedback/insight. Glad in a way to hear about Abu. No news is good news (in the sense that one catches oneself wondering if there isn't some whole area of endeavor you're missing out on etc )...

[Deleted User]

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
Thanks @Halftone and @ExAsperis99

So here is my workflow. Probably quite unconventional, but I like having everything internal to Gadget and to be able to have everything editable and easy to modulate inside Gadget.

• Loaded and looped my Gadget track (all the sounds apart from the bassline). Right now the "track" is just a sketch of a handful of loops just on scene 1.
• Loaded Model 15 and switched on LINK and synced with Gadget (by the way Gadget and Model 15 both ran together on my Air2 very nicely with no clicks)
• The arp in Model 15 is very useful because I was able to set it up to play along in time with the Gadget tracks while auditioning different Model 15 bass patches
• Settled on a nice thick bass patch in Model 15 (which I tweaked from a factory preset)
• When happy I opened up the filter cutoff in Model 15 way more than needed and sampled an A and an F note into the internal Model 15 recorder - saving both out as files to dropbox
• Then I took these two samples into Bilbao (placing the A on pads 1 and 9 and the F on pads 2 and 10)
• I needed each note sample on two pads (rather than just one) because otherwise the sample cuts off when retriggered in quick succession in Bilbao. If you duplicate onto 2 pads you can alternate between them to get over this monophonic issue in the Gadget samplers
• Then, remember in Model 15 I'd opened up the filter cutoff way too much? This this allowed me to select Gadget's low pass filter as the effect in Bilbao and then automate the cutoff and resonance on the bass patch over 8 bars (if you listen at the start you can hear it). Now to me this sounds pretty good. It certainly means throughout my track I can mess with the cutoff on my Moog bass patch very easily. I know that the purists will say this is sacrilege since I'm using Gadget's filter not Moogs (actually on top of Moog's) - but it sure makes automation in sync with my track a whole lot easier.
• Recored Gadget live into Audioshare using solo, mute and the faders in Gadget to arrange my single scene into a rough track, bringing loops in and out.

So it was all quite quick and easy to get a nice bass sound in Model 15 and then bring it into Gadget like this to use in my track (which usually I spend weeks arranging and tweaking inside Gadget).

I wonder if this would work with Bilbau....

Matt_Fletcher_2000

Are Bilbao's midi CCs the same as the Volca samplers?

And of course the pitch calibration on the per sample pitch would need to be the same too.

If so then I'd have thought it should work.