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To Lurssen ...or not to Lurssen, that is the question.
Just mastered new album on T Racks on Mac. Looking for opinions of those that have mastered on pc/mac and have also tried Lurssen app on ios. I am thinking of throwing $5 at it to unlock for 2 days. Anyone tried a side by side comparrison mastering with Lurssen vs T Racks, Ozone etc??
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Lurssen is plain better than TRacks IMO. It's also far easier to get fast results than Ozone, but it would take a direct comparison between the two to tell which one is better.
I think the crown of best sound quality in mastering apps, both on iOS and Mac, goes to FF mastering apps - and the iOS versions, which are as capable as Mac's - cost a fraction, so it's a no-brainer if you have Auria already.
I get better results with FabFilter than with Ozone, but Ozone has those all-in-one FX chain presets, which means it's easier to get convincent results even if not the best possible results. Lurssen, which easier than Ozone, should give you even less work to get a decent sound, but I still didn't get anything close to what I achieve using FF ProQ, ProMB and ProL in tandem.
Yes, these $5 will be a very well spent money. Thanks and hats off to the IK team to let we have the full functionality of the app for a fraction of the full price to use it for a few days.
I still didn't get anything close to what I achieve using FF ProQ, ProMB and ProL in tandem.
Is that the signal chain you use in Auria ie. ProQ>proMB>proL?
Any other tips mastering in auria pro
Have you tried Final Touch(but I found it still a bit buggy)? I master in Ableton Live 9 suite(even recorded from iPad into Ableton, I've: use the iPad as a sound generator into Ableton, rather than Auria Pro) Ableton plugin software are not bad, then sometimes revamp them in Adode Audition to see a difference. To me Ableton sounds better than Cubase, or FL Studio. But only my option. For the money you spend on the plugins in Auria Pro, it's cheaper to buy Lurrsens app. But it's a personal taste of the user really, & how it sounds to the individuals ears, & the near field monitors you are using.
Yes, @RedSkyLullaby! I apply them one by one, in the following order: open a new project, import mixed song I want to master, apply ProQ, mixdown (wav, 32-bit, stereo,import as new track), delete the old file, apply ProMB, mixdown (wav, 32-bit, stereo,import as new track), delete the old file, apply ProL and that will be all!
Of course, it's a little more complicated than that when applying the efects themselves: the presets are seldom enough, so it usually involves a lot of A/B referencing and tinkering with each FX parameter.
@theconnactic, do you do the three steps like that in order to make sure you're getting what you need out of each plugin? You couldn't just run them in that order on the master strip in Auria one time?
Exactly, @rickwaugh. In fact, I described the way I work, but I think I'd recommend running all three at the same time for a more traditional FX chaining, like it's done in Ozone etc., as long as you keep an eye on the output levels of each effect of the chain. Don't ever let the signal arrive at the limiting stage already overloaded!
I used to run them at the same time, because e.g.: the limiting will alter the EQ etc., but my current approach prevents me from abusing the plug-ins, specially MB/L, and focus on getting the best possible result from each process. Besides, I am familiar enough with them by now to know each one's sonic particularities, and also Auria has infinite undos (that work, unlike Cubasis) if I really need to go backwards in the process.
Interesting. I often wonder when I'm doing my mixes, if I'm not in all my blundering about, missing something because it's being masked by something else I've done.
Thanks, @theconnactic.
Think I'll try a tRacks vs FF plug ins vs Lurssen comparison on a couple of tracks and see what happens
P.S.: I forgot to say: running one at a time allows me to use ProMB and ProL with 4x oversampling on my Air1, improving quality without overloading the CPU.
As Del Boy would say in "In Only Fools And Horses"........... " He Who Dares Rodney!".....
Just a heads up that higher oversampling doesn't always mean better quality, so don't feel you have to run the highest settings to get the best results. I rarely use Pro-L at anything higher than 2x, at 4x I can definitely hear a tiny change (very slight dulling) in the top end on some songs. It's usually more a case of sound quality versus needing to absolutely control intersample peaks depending on the material.
I think Lurssen might not be for me, just not enough eq options. Suppose i could eq with proQ then into Lurssen but at that point may as well just do all in Auria. Alot easier to see what is happening in proC and proL too.
@Tarekith do I need to concrn myself with dither? Most stuff on ipad is 16bit anyway (?) Was thinking i would just make a 16bit and 24bit master of each track when I export from aUria and just use 24bit version if it was being requested. Forgive my ignorance as don't totally get it, hopefully the question makes sense
Soundcloud can import 16 bit with dither, that is best can do with mp3. My 2 cents.
Someone advicing lower 0db to -1 db for better cloud listening, so I would limit my Pro-L for that. Because 0 db will push the boundary for the cloud internal mechanism, so lowering a bit would have more upper zone for the push.
@RedSkyLullaby, if you intend to release an album to iTunes through a professional aggregator, absolutely bounce the final mixes to Wav/44.1/16-bit, which is still industry standard. Keep one at 24-bit to convert later to a compressed format, though.
@Tarekith, thank you for the interesting piece of info.
Dither is really only needed if going from a higher to lower bit depth, so if you're always working at 16bit then there's not much benefit to it. Here's some more info:
http://innerportalstudio.com/new-dither-examples/
Auria defaults to 24bit for recording, so generally anything recorded and mixed in Auria is going to be at 24bit unless you have manually changed the setting somewhere.
This is good to know. TY
Interesting thread and useful suggestions (even for the dense novice). Thanks all.
Thanks everyone
That is why Pro-L has that 16 bit with dither, because Auria is 24 bit by default.