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Damn, you guys aren’t helping!
I don’t know whether what I’m trying to achieve is complex or not.
Basically I want to use mic and hi z channel for mic and guitar, then I want to plug an iPhone in the second USB port to run Impaktor with being triggered by one of the other 2 inputs and going directly into loopy on my iPad (connected to the other USB port).
Midiwise I’d like to hook up 2 low power midi controllers (mpk mini and nanopad/beatstep) via a hub into the midi host port. Here I’m a bit sceptical about someone suggesting that controllers are not recognised by their names but just numbered, which could lead to confusion. The hub would also have Circuit connected to it as I want to be able to control Circuit by mpk mini for some keys and arp action.
Would that work without me needing therapy? I guess that’s the million dollar question.
Probably the best bet is to get it from a dealer with a possibility of a return should things go tits up.
I cant help you with the ica4 question but Im surprised you cant do this with your akia eie if you are using a hub. It must be the audio routing you need for Impaktor maybe.
It does seem like a couple of weeks of therapy to me, then you will be fine. Of course its one thing bedroom rocking but the stakes go up when playing live.
@supadom - I think what you are wanting to do is somewhat complex but exactly what the iCA4 is designed to do.
Keeping your mind tho - really depends on you and your background. The iconnect folks are definitely engineers, very geeked out on l thing the unit be as flexible for everyone as possible. And that reallly shows in the iConfig software - it's very pragmatic, powerful but not pretty, and no way through it without learning it. If you're the kind of guy that can wire up a studio or PA you'll be able to jump in, but otherwise be ready for some manual time.
The good news is that once you've got it working you're done.
Re the USB midi ports; by default the 7 ports are labeled 1-7 and correspond to physical USB ports on your hub. The desktop versions of iConfig allow you to rename those ports (But this is a name only! Port 1 is always that physical port, and you are always going to want to plug your mpk into the same physical port.) if you rename the ports prior to plugging it into the iPad the first time, the iPad will show those names.
Hope that helps
Yes you can rename the ports, it's a bit confusing at first but once it's set up it works well.
It's amazing how flexible it is really. I've got an iconnectmidi 2 daisy chained into the ica4 hub (along with BCR2K and midi keyboards and other stuff) all into one powered usb hub. So you can run alot of things at once into this little box.
well. i basically wanted to smash my Novation Audiohub 2x4 today. its a piece of hot garbage on windows 10. keeps cutting out... garbles audio... i have no idea why
@RUST( i )K prefers this over the ica4+. say what you want about the ica4+ once you get it to work correctly its rock solid.
Well @wigglelights
I’ve sold on my Behringer FCB1010 because the software included was a PITA but I could wire up a PA and more so there's hope
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One thing I was trying to ascertain with all this questioning is whether the unit is buggy or is it more a case of user error.
@OscarSouth if you trust it live then that's enough for me. The port thing seems easy to overcome by being tidy and I'm definitely very organised with my rig. I'll definitely give it a go, especially knowing there's a new editor in the pipeline.
Looks like a great Christmas prezzie candidate
Edit: I can't find the discussion, can you? Thanks!
I have trouble with my monoprice powered usb hub, with the ica4+. The ica4+ won't recognize it when it boots up (or reboots, when you save your settings), until you unplug it the main usb cable to the hub, and then plug it back in. I tried to tell iconnectivity about it, but never got a response. I'm sure the answer is "buy a different hub". Annoying, but maybe i'll look at the hubs that have been "blessed".
Yeah I think there's a bit more to USB hubs than jumpers from pin to pin. All sorts of little do-whakies keeping an eye on power and data isolation and the like. At some point the cheapest part is so because it was designed to be so - and that means "just make the spec" chips, resistors et al. Probably for reliably real time midi data transmition buying better parts you can't see is worth a few bucks.
From experience - it's easy to look at a USB hub as a fancy Y cable. But it's a bit closer to being a network switch. With respect to your current choices, just seems that committing to a nice interface should include the best components for using it - apps, speakers, cables, USB hubs, etc. Not that real life doesn't get in the way of a few dollars, bit it seems sometimes a few bucks more can ease the technology out of the way of music making....
You can also just Create (recreate) the devices plugged into the USB Host Port in Audio MIDI Setup, just Create a new device, connect the Wires to the Original device, and you'll have the names. I do this, then save the Setups in AMS, this way if you're like me and switch setups frequently, you can load the Setups from AMS, and won't have to rename them in iConfig each time you plug/unplug/change setups w/ the iConnect.
You need a CCK for the 2nd USB cable - if you want to keep the phone powered, a 2nd 'special charging cable' by iConnectivity is required (it's not a regular thing).
Iirc using the CCK turns the device choice to 'PC', not IOS (which doesn't matter if you set the port to 'both').
Actually the matrix setup isn't that complicated, but screen design of the corresponding mixer tabs is rather irritating.
It's functional, but not very obvious which part you actually tweak.
I've eventually ended with an almost empty routing that only contains ports/devices that are in use.
Question for iCA4+ users who send MIDI out from iOS to an external setup: have you ever experienced certain apps where some of the MIDI messages or notes get lost when they've gone through the ICA?
We're investigating a Beta report where Odessa+AUM are used to generate multiple streams of MIDI CC messages, but they're not coming through the ICA4 correctly. We've established that when multiple events are sent in a single CoreMIDI package things go wrong. The moment the messages come out of AUM they're still intact (as shown with MIDI monitor apps) but when routed through the ICA4 everything but the first MIDI command in a package seems to get lost.
Anyone?
I think only very rarely has that happened for me in the past and would be solved by resetting the iCA4.
In my case (using the DIN ports exclusively) a certain external device fails completely.
Obviously based on not enough current to drive the input receivers properly.
My little Line6 Midi thing (30 pin connector) fails, too - but the ioDock works perfectly with that external device.
It is not uncommon with traditional midi connections that the optocouplers either wear out or don't match in sensitivity.
Probably not very likely that you have the same error, but I mention it just in case.
(the result is complete garbage because some bits get lost turning notes into controller messages etc)
Anyone know of a decent video showing the setup of midi with a USB hub for iConnectAudio4+?
I’ve seen the 7 minute video iConnectivity has for the patchbay, but it’s not overly helpful.
A step by step for USB hub to host connection and setup would be great. If anyone has seen or has a link to a video showing this, please let me know! Cheers.
Don't have a video, but I use the usb hub in the host jack. what are you having trouble with?
A couple notes on the usb hub/host setup:
New things seem to get added at the begining of the list, ie. The first midi controller you plug in, generally ends up in HST 1, the second ends up in HST 2, etc.
It can be worthwhile to figure out the Reserved section, for the host ports, under Midi info, in the iconfig midi app (I don't think it is there in the iconfig for audio app. It is in the pc/mac editor.)
Reserving the ports, are the way to have a certain device always show up on the same host port number. It's like a static IP address. Like my synth, with a usb midi plug, is reserved for HST 8, so when I power things on, and start the apps on the ipad, I don't have to hunt down a new, random Host number, to get the synth to talk to the app. That synth is always on HST 8. It may be helpful to start your reservations at the end of the list, at HST 8, and work you way down, because that way, you know the reserved numbers for each device, and you know whatever new midi controller you plugged in, will show up on HST 1. It might be worth the bother to make a label for each thing, of the host number, if you have a bunch of things to plug in.
Some usb controllers may take up multiple host ports. Like my drum pad controller has a port for the controller, and a port for the din/physical plug midi out. You can see the list of devices, and how they are assigned to to the Host port numbers, under Midi Info, in the app.
You don't actually need a powered hub, if the connected stuff has its own power supplies, or are low power (like don't have a lot of lights or backlit screens).
I had a bug, where I had to replug the hub, into the iconnect, AFTER the iconnect powered on, or, after saving my settings (in the iconfig app, "commit changes to flash" or whatever, on the Audio info page), and the iconnect reboots itself. Happened with two different hubs. It is MOSTLY better with the last firmware update.
If you are in the dark about whether a midi controller is working, you can use the app MIDI Wrench (or any other midi monitor), to monitor all the incoming midi, and see if the controller is talking to the ipad. If you can wiggle a knob, or hit a key, and the messages show up in the list, that means your controller is getting into ios's core midi, and any connection problems are in your music app, most likely it is listening to the wrong port, or wrong midi channel.
@ Processaurus Thanks.
Coudn't get an X-station recognised in any kind of setup combo with the iCA4+ . It recognised a few peripherals via the connected Audiohub USB but nada luck with the X-Station. The iCA$+ also kept freezing with stuck midi notes.
Just updated the firmware however and it looks a little more stable and I'm having some luck with the X-Station now.
Probably more questions ahead.
Cheers!
If you own an iconnect audio, beware of ios 11. It broke iconfig (both iconfig for audio, and the original iconfig midi app) on my ipad pro 12.9, 1st gen. All i get is a persistent "COMMUNICATION LOST" message when trying to connect to the device.
I got in touch with customer support, and they got back to me- they have had widespread problems with ios 11, the switch to 64bit, and this error. It sounds like they don't know how to fix it. They removed the app from the store, but people with older versions of ios, or certain ipad versions on ios 11, still were having luck with the app, so they put it back up on the store. They are trying to get their new app Auracle ready, to replace iconfig.
@Processaurus Thanks for this info. Yup, I'm on iOS 11 with a 2nd gen 12.9.
Initial setup has been on mac to test with an eye to move over to ipad after I understand the device a bit more. Looks like there could be issues ahead on that. Good to know. Cheers!
@Processaurus Great tips. I didnt know about host port reservations, that is going to come in useful.
I have noticed that I get better results with usb hosts if I plug the hub into the iCA4+ AFTER powering it up the but that's the only issue I have had so far on 10.3.3, with the latest iCA4 software
Just saw the extra info you added to your post. Awesome, thanks for the tips!
@Processaurus - thanks for that info on iConfig & ios 11.
Just when I was about to attempt setting up my iConnect Midi4+ again...
Back on the shelf.
iConnectivity RTP Network Midi.
I'm just using the older pre auracle drivers. Works much better than the new ones. Don't see a need to upgrade since my setup is rock solid.
How’s the audio quality of the analog audio interface part of this? I’m thinking of replacing my iConnectMidi with this, so I can also replace my old audio interface.
I’d be using it with an iPad, Mac, and analog mixer.
No complain from my part.
If you ask me the iconnectaudio4+ is a real gem!
It only lacks ADAT.
I'm using an iCA4+ for years as an IOS interface and analog switchboard/router to 2 DAWs with dedicated DSP processing and a Mac Mini (4 systems in 1 setup).
My other interface is an Audient ID22 which is a class above in analog quality, but twice as expensive.
I prefer the ID22 for recording with dynamic mics and switch to it for critical monitoring, but the iCA4+ does all the bread and butter stuff nicely.
Probably similiar to a small Focusrite or Steinberg interface.
(as with all pro audio gear you pay double for a quarter of improvement)
I’m coming from a Mackie Blackjack, which I prefer to the K-Mix. I guess it’ll be equal or better for me.
I was also wondering whether to keep the iConnect Midi I have, and get a great audio interface, but I almost never record mics. Guitar and line-level machines only.
Friends, would you recommend iconnect4 + for purchase in 2020? How does it work with iOS 13?
I believe the iconnect gear can link together so you get more audio channels, maybe worth keeping your iconnect midi?
Not a bad idea, seeing as it all works perfectly right now.
EDIT: Here's how to connect two devices together.
EDIT 2: This looks like the perfect solution. Well, almost perfect. I'd prefer the iCA4+ with more DIN ports, but this will do the trick.