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Nano controlller 2/ faders&knobs cc/midi help
Ok so with some apps this is almost plug and play! Amazing, what do yawl use that are are like this? With nano control 2 that is. Its the one with faders and knobs, pseudo 8 track thing.
I have had strange luck with midi learn. In Turnado is was ace for midi learn, super tedious but yea it works great. Tone stack was easy midi learn too. So I'm a lil confused when problems happen with other apps.
Other apps it didn't seem to work or was weird acting. But maybe I need to understand what basic cc and midi is like "sorta" standard for a synth app or similar. I mean that at least the knobs and faders do something'. Maybe I need to run only CC or only Midi?
any help is appreciated. Like for CS grain or analog kit for example. I just want the nano control to muck with the sound in some manner haha.
Last thing: then I want to use side car app in conjunction with icade. We need an icade side car walkthrough or I'm crazy! It should work with the nano kontrol too as its wireless, so getting both those things rocking would be insane!
Thanks
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Here is my first attempt at learning different drummer "live". Pretty good for not knowing anything haha, parts are cool tho too. Enticement https://youtube.com/watch?v=XMJ12kZHBrM
A little tutorial on MIDI (tag #ipa_MIDI). There are no stupid questions. I've been doing this stuff for decades and can easily leave out something critical without noticing
. Plus sticky keyboard drops characters.
MIDI is the name of the connection language. Inside MIDI you can send several different kinds of messages. These messages also include which thing listening to MIDI should act.
There are 17 different destinations: SYSEX, and Channels 1 through 16. At your early stage, you can ignore SYSEX for now. The other 16 all get the same kinds of messages (i.e. you can separately control up to 16 synths and effects etc):
Note On (pressed a key on the keyboard or hit a drum pad). Note to be played is indicated by the Note Number (0 - 127, 0 being (usually) C-2), and also each Note message can have a Velocity value (0 - 127, how hard you hit the key/pad).
Note Off (when you let go)
Continuous Controller, aka CC (sliders, buttons, knobs). There are 128 different controllers, each with a different controller number, that can be controlled, and although there are default "standards" for what they mean you can actually use them however you like, within the constraints of what you are sending from and what is listening. In iOS, synth handling of CC messages is pretty scattered, as is their ability to be told no, dammit, use this CC message (aka MIDI Learn!). Utility programs such as MidiFlow can help converting one source assignment to a destination that can only expect something different (medium skill for this).
Note here: CC is therefore something inside MIDI, not something different.
Pitch Bend
Channel Aftertouch
Channel Pressure
Patch Select
Now, the nanoKONTROL2. Is rather tweaky to set up and use. It has four different configurations, of which the first three are for specific standard ways of controlling DAWs. Auria, for example, works nicely with configuration 3 (HUI). These configs send multiple messages in general for each controller. This could be your cource of confusion - some synths will ignore the extra messages, some will learn the first, some the last, some just give up.
But for generic use with synths etc you must be using configuration 4. You put the nK2 into this mode as follows:
While pressing and holding down the SET MARKER and CYCLE buttons, connect the USB cable from your computer to the nanoKONTROL2 to engage CC mode.
You only need to do this once. Now every knob/fader/button will send exactly one CC message, value either its position (0 - 127) or pressed state (on or off). This last can be changed to toggle with the nK2 PC editor. But that is an uber tweaky thing to do.
Now in each App's MIDI Learn you should find things a bit cleaner. Some will let you choose button behavior - Toggle or Press/release. Some won't (sorry). Some - like Thor - do not do learn. You could either dedicate a nK2 to Thor via the PC editor, or use MidiFlow to retarget each nK2 message to the CC value Thor expects. Much easier to use then for different synths. MidiFlow, again, can be configured so Sidecar can switch it to route nK2 to different synths (you'll need the Conditions IPA for this). nK2 send channel is not confgurable except from the PC editor (again:)). There is no iPad editor, though I've been thinking about doing one since I found Korg's MIDI SYSEX configuration chart. Lack only a 64 bit Mac for App dev.
damn man, thanks! wow
@Dwarman Great post.
How big is the nK2 sysex message ? Is it bulk or individual messages per parameter or setting, reason I ask is that if sysex message is bulk and 256 bytes or less, you could use Lemur to create an editor.
If sysex is not bulk then most of the surface apps would be able to act as an editor.
Were you using the NanoKontrol2 to control DD in this?
@AndyPlanton - I have used MIDI Toolbox's Sysex to save and reload nK2 bulk dumps successfully, but still had to create them in the PC editor. I have toggle and normal dumps, but not really a solution to quick switching between synths or mixers etc.
HA wow, no idea what above is! Thanks tho. And about DD vid. No it was first trial and i wish i could rock the nano control with it. No idea what CC or MIDI would be semi normal for such a crazy app as DD. I gotta re read the above comments still. Thanks yo.
I've had problems getting the midi learn to "stick" when using my NK2 with DD, and even worse, the wave graphics seem to change, but it doesn't appear to affect the sound.
If interested, I recorded a video a while back which shows a bit of my workflow in DD...
That would be amazing. Can you actually do that? Surprised Korg haven't sorted this out themselves.
Yeah, an iPad editor that has app templates for common use. I had more luck in analog kit with midi learn, just so tedious....all good!
As the sysex is less that 256 bytes, it should be possible to create an editor in Lemur for iOS. You'd still need to save the sysex dumps using something else as there is no File I/O in Lemur so you could not save presets, but you could make built in ones.
@dwarman @AndyPlankton Do you mind telling me if you can remap a cc or Pc or note to a Sysex , and the other way, using Midiflow ? It seems that it's one of a limitation of Midibridge...
And as I'll be soon using more sysex I would like an ergonmic stable app...
Thanks
@crony - yes, to sysex, although I could not find out how o get the CC value propagated into the Sysex message, or if that can be done how ro specify a check byte position and computation. I do know however that this is something TB Midi Stuff can do.
@dwarman thanks ! I think I'll go for Midiflow now, seems much more user friendly than Midibridge...But seems AB3 could handle all this...and more...
Can't wait for it...