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Kirnu Cream; any suggestions?
Effing hell, I try to move heaven and earth before posting cos I always feel an absolute pillock due to my lack of knowledge, but everyone is always v helpful so here goes. I just cannot get off the sodding ground with Cream. It is driving me round the bend and I reckon that if u lot can't help me I will abandon hope and go back to Thesys (and of course there's nothing wrong with that). To try to be more specific:
Can you get midi in (in the same way that the videos show a desktop DAW doing in the you tube vids)? I've tried doing it with Auria Pro and Cubasis but I can't get it to move Cream at all.
I've read the manual for the iPad and desktop editions but is anyone aware of any basic resources that I can look through to get me started? Or just any suggestions...?
God I feel stupid but it's driving me right up the bloody wall!
Sorry and thank u
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This is the only app I've bought (100+) that I just said screw it to after three 15-20 minute sessions. There's no good manual or tutorials, so I just moved on along.
Thanks, not just me then. Why go to the trouble of porting it then not tell people how to use it properly? There's clearly something great there I just need a way in... :-(
Did The Captain not do something on this?
I did struggle with Cream, and still do, but I think it's got a whole lot that's very funky and good about it. It lives in my 'Effort Required' folder, but I'm keeping it....
It's not the type of app in which you can just fiddle around and get something useful. You need to go in with a plan and execute it, at least at first. You should perhaps not even try to get something musical out of it first— just go through each feature until you understand what each section does. Then see how each of the features can work with another. It is a slog, but then at some point the power starts to reveal itself.
Or you can just get a refund. I wouldn't blame you. I don't get a whole lot of time to work on music, so I don't know why I give Cream Mobile a pass. Stubborn, I guess, and the possibilities intrigue me.
@oat_phipps There are actually a good number of tutorial videos on youtube for the VST version, where it has a longer history. The info there is very applicable to the iOS version, imo.
What aaronpc said is true. There will be countless hours practicing for this app.
If lucky and fortune enough, you will discover it even more with apps you are using.
Perhaps at that stage, you will not tell me your secret. If Wally shuts the mouth to say a thing, I guess I will be quiet too. I think the developer knows well its secret, it is just too much treasure to dig by welcoming you.
There is a bug I found but I will not say anything because it will not has serious problem to anything. The midi setting has no problem at all for me. One of my best iOS love.
What I did with Cream is leave it on the main page (as opposed to being in a folder) with the apps I am learning (currently Model 15, DM2 and Blocs Wave) just to remind me that buying apps on sale just because they look cool and theoretically useful is not a good idea. Especially ones that look complex and involve MIDI routing. I should have known better. So far it has saved me a bit of money; I haven't bought Modstep.
Pour encourager les autres Admiral....
It has had a hand in my not getting Modstep too, I'll admit. There's room for only so many needy friends in my life.
Wise words. @MrNezumi I like the idea of it sitting there on the main page as a testament to my folly (along with Modstep, yes I learnt too late to stop that one) and a warning for the future. I think I will keep poking Cream to see if anything happens, it's just the fact I can't get midi in that I can't get past. Anyway, such is life
@crouchie Seeing as how we haven't actually attempted to answer your question, I'll give it a go.
First, in Cream, choose some preset that will show quick results. One of the Factory Rhythm presets should do.
I use Cubasis, so make a midi track and route its midi out to Cream Ch. 1. Put some notes in a couple bars and set it to loop. Make a second midi track and route its midi in to Cream Ch. 2.
Now In Cream's Configuration panel (gear icon), set midi input to "Cream virtual destination", and in midi output, choose Cubasis. Note that you don't choose channels here. Cream's keyboard at the bottom should now be greyed out, telling you an external device is connected.
Next, look right below the status window in Cream, top center. You'll see the midi inputs for the current track in Cream there. This is the bit that may be throwing you off. Each track can send on different channels for in and out, so make sure the current channels are input: 1 and output: 2. To change them, press and slide up or down, watching the numbers in the status window above them.
Now go back to Cubasis and press play. You should hear your notes in Cubasis as well as the arped ones. Press record and you should see the notes Cream spits back from your input and if you go back into Cream you'll see it doing it's thing in there, too.
Hope this helps.
Big thank u! I will have a go tonight. Much appreciated (and yes, I think you have spotted the point at which I was going wrong, the second track and output to 2). Cheers!
Hi @crouchie et al ,
(please correct title to Kirnu Cream for future searches )
Unfortunately the app links to VST manual , correct Ipad manual is here:
http://www.kirnuarp.com/CreamMobile-Manual.pdf
As a longterm Cream beta tester who answered forum questions on release & promised video tutorials I'm sorry "life & other technical difficulties" (C)(TM) ( my next album title) havent let this happen yet.
There are Youtube videos for VST which apply for general operation , I have also collected the tips I've already given in this forum in the Comments of my Youtube page,
some of which cover midi connection .
The main connection issues are :
correct device/port ( I recommend Cream Virtual ports for all ends ) ,
correct channel PER TRACK ,
Key Area Control ( per track ) which defines Input note range
& Control Zone if Not disabled in settings makes lowest octave change patterns .
visit youtube page below for fuller explanations .
I still hope to finish tutorials , sorry for delay . Hope this helps till then .
Cream is worth the effort to learn .
Yes, hard to master. Thanks for your effort, @Wally.
Thank you, I appreciate your advice and efforts. I'm not giving up yet, I remember your earlier thread and it really does look so promising
I don't know whether to love @Wally or blame him, but soldiering on all the same
As @aaronpc mentions when it's good it's really good....taste of honey etc keeps some of us buzzing around the complicated pot...
@Wally I'm sorry I didn't suggest/credit you upthread. So many apps/so little memory. It was your enthusiasm/input that set me down the Cream road and I AM grateful. Sorry to hear that Real Life has got in the way of more tutes, but as you can see/imagine the appetite for learning more about it is still alive (at least for some of us). I think the devs are missing a trick by not making you their official unofficial sensei etc.
May I ask you a question?
You want Auria Pro midi editor playing midi data to Cream, then send the Cream's notes back to Auria Pro
or
Using Cream internal keyboard playing by your hand (yes, you can have pattern sequencer working), then record the Cream's playing back to Auria manually?
I do a proper setup for you, depending on what you want to achieve. Name your instrument on Auria Pro, I will show photos here for you.
Seems no one here can serious guide you, let me guide you by photos. Only for setup! Both method have their own problem. I believe the second method will be easier to handle time wise, but second method has no playhead alignment automation that first one does. I think second method is enjoyable, but first method is similar like the video for VST. Auria Pro and Cubasis has no individual track looping concept. It is not like others saying such easy.
I don't like to teach whole series on Cream, it will seriously taken at least 50 photos to show you a tutorials. Plus there is really secret that is hardly I can show. Professional speaking, it is a steal from me to everyone. So I better not to say this higher level that no body known knowledge, which has nothing to do with Modstep.
Up to you to decide! The upper method or the lower one? Cheers.
That is a spectacularly kind offer, many thanks! I want to have midi in Auria Pro that goes into Cream, is altered by the Cream app then sent back into Auria drive either Twin or an IAA synth, so basically option 1 I think. Thanks for taking the time
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@crouchie ,
9 photos, just follow everything, press Auria to record. If Auria playhead can not stop the Cream, then press Cream's panic button, Cream will stop.
Background audio
Setting page
Twin2 polyphonic
Whole notes for 16 bars
Sync clock
Sync notes
Sending Cream's notes to Auira
Follow photo's every knobs and buttons
Red the 2nd track and upper red button to record the first track's loop
Then editing the midi notes on piano roll and align the data.
End.
Cheers
You're an absolute star. You've all been really helpful, thank you very much. I shall have many happy hours with this now. I owe u all a pint!
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2 more photo...
First track setting
Second track setting
Cheers,
after this done well, you can ask 'second method', which is easy by following those photos! Then make adjustment. I will tell you how again if you want more. Good night.
Forgot to show Cream's setting page, even this tiny details could make a difference.
Btw, use top left corner to select initial preset for Cream first. The setup is for arpeggio on first method. If you do chord, you need to layer more upper/lower multiple notes for Cream's SEQ. You do not need to use Cream's chord memory because Auria piano roll editor can provide chord.
The second method I did not speak off, which doesn't need chord from Auria's midi notes.
Get some sleep you generous secret keeper
No, those are common knowledge, no secret. The real secret is too high level, need countless hours for me to detect. Good night.
@Kaikoo2 I set this up (as per pics) and got Cream playing in Auria. A miracle!. But then I realized to do this each time I would have to have all this information tattooed on my body somewhere to refer to each time I wanted to do it
Still, good boffinery my friend, which many more clever people will be able to assimilate...
Yes, need to prepare dinner table with chopstick, fork, knife, plate, cups, dining tissue, napkin, kettle, tea pot. Gosh! But those should be second nature.
The second method much more comfortable with. So ask me tomorrow on how to. You can just use hand for dinner!
@Kaikoo2 I happily defer to you. Please send screenshots explaining how you are able to find time in the day.
Wonderful. Would love to see the second method tomorrow. Am trying to commit this all to memory. Really appreciate the trouble you are going to. Cheers