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State-saving iOS synths in Auria, Cubasis, Infinite Looper. Is it possible?
Is there a way to open in Auria, Cubasis or Infinite Looper a project that is loaded with three or four state-saving iOS synths, with or without AB and/or AUM? So that that project is always associated with those particular synths in those particular states? I'm losing my mind here. Almost ready to chuck it and go to Gadget/NanoStudio/Caustic, but I know I will miss the synths I love.
I can accept that I'm a moron. If it is possible, could someone please outline the hoops I have to jump through to get this to happen, or at least point me in the direction of some appropriate reading material? Cheers.
PS. I don't have Modstep. I am scared of it, but will grow a pair if that is the only option.
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This is the promise of AU and that's why so many are pushing their favorite synths to support it
ISem can be loaded as an AU in Garageband, no? What AU's can be loaded into Cubasis or Auria, if any?
Auria doesn't support AUs yet. I think Cubasis does with the last update. Here's an example of how I approached it using Audiobus and Auria. Auria doesn't support state saving either, so you would need to reload the same project in Auria to get it to work. I used Animoog and Different Drummer as sources in AB, but you can swap in whatever you need that supports state saving. If you make changes in AB, remember to save the state again and update Auria as needed.
Audiobus preset 'Auria_SS': http://preset.audiob.us/F8wOA8FWFFCcbry
For Cubasis So far there's iSem, Viking, Bassalicious and soon Ruismaker. We have a long way to go, but things are picking up it seems
Auria does not support AU (yet?). But it has some good built-in instruments.
For Infinite Looper, I expect to have program change messages on the tracks in an upcoming release (if you toggle that on), but not all synths respond to that -- and it's a bit of a PITA, even with that. Program change support works well if you're using external hardware synths. I'll also be supporting AUs, but not all synths do that either.
Short term, the best bet is probably to host the synths in Audiobus, and use the state saving features there. You can route MIDI from IL to them. Yes, not an ideal arrangement.
Not sure if I get your drift. Questions:
1) If I have an Auria project with midi tracks driving, say, Cassini, Magellan and Tera (all state-saving synths), to ensure I have the right presets next time I start the project I need to load those synths as Audiobus inputs and save that particular Audiobus patch, correct?
2) And the next time I want to open that Auria project...what? Do I fire up that particular AB patch to start up the synths, then open Auria, or what?
Load up all your synths in Input slots in AudioBus. If you want to use any AUs you'll also need to load up AUM in an input slot. Load up Auria Pro in the output slot. Auria will auto-create audio Tracks for each input. You can ignore these for now, but remember to arm the ones for any instruments you want to hear or record.
Add a MIDI track for each app you want to control. Set the instrument to Off. Set the MIDI output settings to whatever you need to do to get it talking with the app you want to play. Repeat for each app.
Now save the Auria project and save a session in AudioBus. I like to name them the same thing.
Now, to get back to where you were, load the AudioBus preset, launch each app, leave Auria to last. Finally load the Auria Project.
It sounds a lot more complicated than it really is.
The basic idea is if you want to leverage state savings, you need to load your apps up in AudioBus, not as IAA instruments in AP, IL, or Cubasis. Then use the host app to send midi to the apps.
For infinite looper, load all your apps and Infinite Looper as inputs in AB. For each channel in IL, set up the MIDI to communicate with each app and disable internal synth / IAA. AudioBus's output can be to speakers or another app which you want to record into. Save the AudioBus session and you are good to go next time. Just load the AB session, start all the apps, load the IL song and you're off.
Wow. In the thick of aural experiments. Will report when I get back...
Thanks.
Oh man, that avatar, hehehe
Stole it from my son. I had to explain/show its history to him.
Great advice @Wim, thanks. It's opened things up for me a lot. I knew AB had to be involved somehow if I wanted to use state-saving but couldn't figure out how to use it without mucking things up in Auria.
Now, in this iteration of my iOS music adventures (last one ended a year ago in frustration), I plan to pretty much "paint" all my music in piano rolls, so the method you have advised is well-suited, if slightly tortuous. But what if I want to incorporate an on-screen keyboard, or send midi events to one of the synths in Auria from StepPolyArp or ChordPolyPro? When I tried using the "keyboard" in ThumbJam to play nLog (in a track in Auria), the midi was recorded in the nLog track, but I wasn't able to hear either nLog or ThumbJam while I was playing the notes.
ThumbJam wasn't in AB; it didn't make sense to me to put it there. TJ's midi out and channel were set to nLog's midi in.
How to solve this problem?
Can you provide a screenshot or describe the all MIDI settings in the Auria Pro channel that has nLog, and do the same for ThumbJam's settings? If Auria is recording notes, then they have to be getting to Auria some way, yet you say the MIDI notes are going to nLog directly, so it's not adding up for me.
I was just experimenting with the set up I've described and it all came to a screaming end... I think I set up some sort of midi loop involving TJ, Auria and nLog. Gonna reboot and start from scratch, but I'm looking for a better triggering app than TJ. I hate its lack of keyboard and unfathomable (to me) midi set up.
Any suggestions for a lightweight app with nice keyboard that sends midi note-ons?
Well, I'm defeated for now. All my experiments end up with midi loops(?) and crashes. I'm worried I'll wear out the buttons with rebooting all the time.
If you take the time to describe in detail the settings from just one of your failed attempts, I'll bet someone here will be able to sort it out for you. But you got to be specific.
I've only had time for intermittent and not particularly scientific experiments which, while generally unsuccessful, have been quite educational and fun. Cubasis was also revisited; its native onscreen keyboard was as welcoming as its piano roll was repulsive. I high-tailed it back to Auria.
When time permits I'm going to investigate this Auria method: only nLog (just for its small-footprint note-on sending capabilities) and Auria will be loaded into AB for quick app-switching. All other iOS synths will be loaded into Auria as IAA's. I will keep an old-fashioned written record of patches.
I'm also just about ready to pull out my little nanonKey midi keyboard, something I'd resolved not to do in the interests of travelling super-light.