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I'm sure some of you have heard about Apple's statements regarding app subscriptions being introduced on the App Store. If you haven't heard about this, you can get some info here:
There's more on both sites (and others) about this development, and I'm sure we'll hear more during and after WWDC.
I detested Adobe's jump to subscription pricing and let my CS4 license be my last purchase. I won't use Adobe products, and I advise people to avoid them. There are capable and less expensive alternatives to much of what they offer (and yes, I've spent a lot of time working in prepress and electronic publishing).
On the other hand, subscriptions might be a way for us to help out the indie devs. Many of the apps we use to make music on iOS come from one-person shops or small teams of devs. There are apps I'd consider (fairly priced) subscriptions for.
I'll say right now that I DO NOT want to lose access to my documents or app because my subscription runs out. The best approach I can imagine would simply be an app that no longer updates if I'm not up on my subscription, but is still accessible via my purchases and installable on all the devices that the app (prior to my subscription expiring) supported.
Interesting times, you guys.
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Agent Orange is that you?
It is I, Johnny. Please ignore that website. I have plans for many more sitcoms.
Also, lemme point out that I've bought a few things since I stopped using Adobe's products, so that wasn't my "last purchase"; it was just my last Adobe purchase.
I subscribe to Photoshop/Lightroom. I'm a photography and graphics dabbler, and there is no other app I want to use in place of PS. It's what I know. And tons of information available when I'm stuck. I stopped upgrading years ago and was reluctant to shell out full price for the latest version. The subscription model made it a short hop back on the wagon. No regrets yet.
I'll only subscribe to an app that's of major importance to me---or maybe if the recurring cost is low enough. If many apps on iOS become subscription, I'll just be far more selective.
If subscription madness doesn't ease up soon, I'll need a subscription app (with subscription pricing, of course) to manage all my subscriptions. Too many random hands automatically dipping into my wallet monthly. Call me a Luddite. I prefer owning shit.
Just in case you hadn't spotted it, the topic's also being discussed at length in this thread:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/13907/the-next-game-changing-ios-development#latest
Uh-oh. I had not spotted it. Thanks, MusicInclusive!
I am one of a big music apps purchaser, personally. @JohnnyGoodyear too!
If subscription is a way to keep things going, you will see me no longer spending that much of money to support iOS music. Because I have strong taste to pick what I really like one or two month later. Most of music apps developers are not going to receive my money benefited from my subscription to them in this kind of model. If this is yearly kind of subscription, I am most likely won't subscribe apps in the first day or two when they are launching.
Obviously, someone from developers side gonna be greedy on it, because there is distribution curve that to whom will be the biggest beneficiary because of that app being used frequently. Therefore, those developers happily to promote the subscription model from controllership thoughts.
I am now only thinking, the paid upgrade is still one of the best solutions to decide to proceed with any app or not. I simply hate the subscription route to support unsurvivable developers. It is competitive market for any free world to decide to who is going to stay. That is the only choice at this paradise we living.
Trust me, I am picky, I will reduce my money spending on subscription, because few music apps is enough for all music playing, one do not need that many music apps.
Sorry, rant over.
Oh dear, Me too!
I no longer follow Adobe after my CS4 license. Those CDs remained in my closet.
See how terrible we were in the same ship.
Mrs. Goodyear says she wants to see subscriptions introduced. And she wants them to be very expensive. And she wants me to throw my hat in dirt and shout "Hell no! That's it for me. C'mon baby let's go shopping." She seems pretty serious about the idea.
That is serious irony...
but good for the family incomes and expenditures.
But wait........Didn't she buy you the ipad pro? She can't do that and then want you to hang it up. That beautiful ipad pro...........appless............... It just isn't right.
Erm. All correct. Apart from the 'appless' part. I have a suspicion she's reading along with the rest of us here in Appland. She keeps repeating things over the dinner table like 'wouldn't it be better to master what you have' and 'less is more' (this last being something she never mentioned when we we still living in fortune cookie world, but that was quite a while ago now I consider the matter fairly.....).
ABS, Automatic braking system,
any wife should possess.
I don't see greed involved with developers. They're trying to make a living like anyone else, and they're working for that money. If Apple limits them in how they can get paid for their work, that's not their fault. And in any case, a developer can only get paid for something of worth they provide. Who is going to keep paying for something that doesn't remain useful? If a dev can make a fortune selling an app then, like a successful music artist, they're entitled to every penny.
Adobe shot themselves in the foot - while they were working on their subscriptions money making scheme Affinity crept in and provided Mac users with the excellent Designer and Photo ( coming soon to PC too ) software , worthy contenders for the photo and vector editing crowns , at 5% of the Adobe price .
People only have so much money for this stuff , squeeze them too hard and they'll run away
I’m not going to say never, but I would at least get very picky about what I rent. Depends. A really useful app for a few dollars a year is money well spent, I think. I’ve been in business where I had to rent equipment. As long as it was getting used, I didn’t think twice about it. But I’m only going to spend so much on iOS entertainment.
We are not the market for this.
It's For games and tv shows, magazines and that kind of thing.
Everyone is doing cloud now Microsoft avid Adobe and they all push this software as a service thing, I don't want any of it.
This seams all to be b2b only. "We don't talk to normal people anymore".
What's puzzling me is that some apps have already been doing this for years, for example the guitar tab apps run on a subscription model (Songsterr, Ultimate Guitar Tabs, Tabs Pro) - presumably there is something about that type of content that made it OK prior to this announcement.
Anyway, to survive on a subscription model an app is going to have to be completely essential, otherwise the user is going to drop the subscription. Personally I am happy to subscribe to Adobe CC because I simply can't survive without it in my line of work, and to be fair to Adobe the price is actually quite reasonable. They could have increased the price substantially by now, and I am grateful that they haven't so far. Since you so often need to exchange files with clients using alternatives isn't really an option, because I often need to open illustrator or photoshop files from clients who are using the latest versions.
But when it comes to the myriad synth apps I have on my iPad, that's a different story. Considering how rarely I open most of them, they would have to be truly essential to survive on that business model.
Sort of but not really. I was an Illustrator/Photoshop power user since the late ’80s (and even wrote books on advanced use (which got edited down from 5 chapters to a supplement by a replacement editor that was an idiot because she didn’t understand the server-side XML technologies (Adobe Alter-cast) I wrote about because she was an idiot, and all the other authors complained to her that my stuff was useful and she should have left it in but she didn’t because she was an idiot). Yet despite that, I have abandoned Adobe’s Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. (although mainly because the work and therefore money has dried up) (because job agencies are full of idiot double-glazing salespeople who I wouldn’t feel one atom of sympathy for if their moronic families all got run over and their fat ugly houses burned down with their smelly dogs and cats inside).
Last year when I hadn’t run out of money yet again I invested in Affinity Photo and Designer. I can say, they’re nowhere near what I am used to from Ps + Ill, they’re sadly lacking in so many ways. Maybe it is because the only thing I want to do each time is an ‘advanced’ thing, but so far each time I’ve used either, it has ended in not being able to do it due to it not being capable. I suppose they’re okay for basic amateur use, tarting up selfies or making logos, but they’re incapable of almost everything I’ve tried them for.
I've been using Photoshop and Illustrator since they came out as a designer , and also ran training courses on their usage . While I agree the Affinity products lack some of the more advanced new Adobe features , to say they're only ' okay for basic amateur use ' is incorrect and misleading , and they are in fact a lot more powerful than the earlier versions of Adobe products - which designers were quite happy using before .
Not sure what you're trying to do with them but I've been using them as Adobe replacements for over a year , after discontinuing with Adobe . I can open all my old Adobe files , and have recently used them to rebrand a major high street name .
Affinity are working on a new DTP companion piece of software , which will integrate nicely with the others .
For the money I've saved I'm happy to lose a few ' advanced ' features I'll never use lol
Good we have choices. It’s really not worth my time to invest in a new platform. I’ve already invested years in Photoshop and Lightroom, so at $120/yr, I’m happy to stay with what I have and know. If I was still in the business, I’d keep up with the latest to see if something comes along to beat PS/LR in power, not price. As it is, I don’t even care what other competing products offer. I’m content to rent.
This would be a sure fire way to push people like me back to hardware and the IPAD more "supplemental" than "foundational" in my repertoire.
For me, same logic with cars.
I rather own a car than lease. Sort of natural thought process for me.
who is gonna be first?
As a developer I don't think I'll go down the subscription-road for my apps any time soon. I guess it would take some nasty manipulation from Apple's end to force me to do that - simply because I detest the model as a user. I don't like things that go poof as soon as I stop paying.
Having said that, I can see why the model is appealing to developers who rely on providing apps to make a living. There is something fundamentally wrong with people's perception of value when they happily pay a few $/€ for a panini for lunch, but hesitate to spend that same amount of money on an app that took a developer (or a team) many months to design, create and support.
Just sayin' ;-)
Keep in mind cost of living is different in other parts of the world. But cost of apps remain the same. You can actually eat for an entire day here (in India) for less than a 2$. I run a snack shop. My staff gets paid around 110$ a month. So while 3-4$ might seem inconsequential to you guys it's not always the case.
Fair point and absolutely true. On the other hand (I quickly checked) even in India an iPad 16Gb costs the Rupee equivalent of US$480, so it is safe to expect a certain level of affluence from someone owning a luxury item like an iDevice. Or is that a false assumption (honest question)?
My income is so random and pitiful that I'll quickly be drummed out to the netherworld if subscriptions become the go-to form.
but for clarity's sake, we don't actually 'own' any of this software, correct?
Several months ago I revived my old forgotten pathetic Acer Aspire One netbook (with only 8GB SSD in it) by installing Ubuntu Mate. I put SunVox on there, and unfortunately, it ran perfectly well.
Yes, they sell you the right to use the software, but you don't own the software.
Unless Apple forces developers to use the subscription model (which I seriously doubt they will) I don't think we will have to worry. There will always be pay-upfront-options, if that's what the market wants.