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Audiobus Feature Request
So I am getting ready to start building a pedal board for a live setup at church. They have microphones to the house but I want to use my own as well, which I will use for vocal loops and stuff. My question is inside audiobus, could it be possible to add the ability to mute the incoming input, like mute input 2 from my interface with out having to adjust the volume on my input.
An even cooler feature might be the ability to have say input 2(which is my microphone) going into loopy and have the ability to either mute that input going into loopy or bypass it and have it go straight to the output. In the event I want to sing along with my guitar and want to record a loop with one or the other without recording both.
If that all makes sense. If not I can try and further explain it.
I also do not currently own AUM which seems to have a few more routing options than audiobus.
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What interface do you own, and if you have a condenser mic turn off phantom power and that channel will no longer be active. All of my interfaces show up as stereo 1-2 mono1, mono2 which goes to the output and ffx. These guys are cooking up something Audiobus has been silent far too long and now that AUM is flexing, we may see some fairly big updates soon.
So like MIDI learn for all the stuff inside of Audiobus including volume control?
I personally don't think Audiobus needs anything for my workflow. I am happy with AUM and audio bus as it is. I can see others who don't own AUM wanting other features like routing midi, built in keyboard destination, a running clock for link, pretty much everything AUM has lol. Which IMO should be a whole new app. That's far to much effort and time for the AB team to update for free.
Turning phantom power on and off when a track is unmuted can cause some serious popping issues and can destroy speakers and sometimes what is attached to that channel.
Sorry for leaving out the part about UNPLUGGING THE MIC, and turning off phantom power if the track is not activated no harm no foul. I was speculating on what mic he has. If the channel is muted and no signal is coming out of it, or it's unplugged you should be fine.
Oh yeah...
But true that AUM has also killer features I couldn't live without anymore now...
@Sebastian not really midi, just maybe a small icon beside the input to mute or un-mute, or even a long press on the input to bring up an option to mute.
I used MiMix for this a while ago
@boberto I have thought about getting that app just never did.
@TheMaestro I have an akai EIE and a fast track duo. I guess I could try the fast track since it has an option to switch from front and back inputs and see if that causes any pops or clicks.
It's inexpensive and sounds like it would give you exactly what you're looking for - ability to mute/solo each input in the Audiobus environment (you actually do it from MiMix, but it has to be hooked up to Audiobus, if that makes sense).
I like the idea, but...apparently so did the creator of AUM, which would do exactly what you're looking for right now. Mimix was the answer for you prior to AUM coming along. In my experiences, AUM has a small memory footprint. Audiobus is the Jerry McGuire to AUM. It completes Audiobus. Today.
This is the cheap and easy way. AUM is the more expensive and complete way.
I stopped using Mimix because of the latency it adds (specially if you're singing or playing an instrument live...) But it could be better now (didn't use it for a long time)
AUM is so much better for the price OMHO.
I'm slowly becoming an AU addict using Cubasis as the AU host...
A 'lovechild' between AB and AUM would be sweet but honestly I wish that technology behind AB an AUM was included in iOS without need for additional apps. (Ie. Apple should hire/employ the AB&AUM devs with super premium salary and put them in charge of CoreAudio and CoreMidi developement and Amazing Audio Engine could become the next 'Core Image' something).
+1000
Agree!! Honestly, life used to be so much simpler back when AudioBus was the only way to work with multiple instruments and FX. Now there's this confusing mess of AudioBus, IAA, AU(x) ... state saving instances and not in others... MIDI Network Session, "Real" and "Virtual" ports ... Link, IAA Sync, MIDI Clock. Stuff can run standalone with background audio, in AudioBus, in the host, in AUM, in AUM in AudioBus ...
It's very ironic that making music with an iOS device is 100x more complicated than on a desktop DAW. What a mess.
I say @Sebastian and @j_liljedahl should be put in charge of straightening out the whole mess, and given royalties on every music app sold from now on if they do. (Though first we need to get @Sebastian over his distain for AU(x)'s
)
Of course then we'll all bitch about how it works. They'll retire. And Apple will break it with every iOS update. Oh well.
I'd rather just use one. Ram is still scarce on (non pro) iPads and I'd rather have another synth/effect running in the chain rather than 2 routing apps.
AB 3's on the way. We'll pay, no worries there, brand loyalty well established. Masterpiece should seal the package.
Yep, I'm trading water with iOS, waiting for AB3 and Masterpiece.
@supadom The day AUM was released I haven't used AB more than five times. We shall see what AB 3 has in store for us. They have a hard act to follow. The AB remote will always be cool, but if I'm not using it then I can't enjoy it. AUM-Audioshare-Any interface= Smart workflow and barely any processing power is used if you own a piece of hardware that you have made your own.
We're clearly using our setups for different things. The reason I use Audiobus and not AUM is because Loopy is my main 'daw' and it doesn't support multiple outs in AUM.
I don't personally care about remote because I prefer to have it all on one device as I want things to be as simple and streamline as possible. I played with Fleksi 2 weeks ago and we only had 5 mins change over between bands, no pressure. Yes, AUM loads the whole session in one click (at least in theory) but I still have that multiple out issue in loopy that makes it a no goer for me. Believe me, I've tried.
And state saving is huge when playing live. AB captures settings in the whole chain whereas AUM doesn't.
I do use AUM for non live situations however. Great app.
Any discussion about using apps should ideally include context but, you know, it's the interwebz.
AUM is very intuitive and I was just pointing out that AB has a unique feature to it. Like I said I don't use AB at all. I have used AUM for anything. I can hook up my Yamaha mixer and record an entire set, or sit my lazy ass down on the couch to record an entire improvisation. MIDI routing, inter app daws, state saving, midi learn, it's like a mixer had sex with a computer Daw. They had a baby and named it AUM.
As far as loopy I can't help you with that. I'd get multi track daw and have loopy send into AUM which will allow you to produce multiple sends. It'll allow you connect the outputs from each audio track. Multitrack daw is what I use.
I take that back loops supports multiple ports. I have loopy HD. Just do that.
Yes, loopy supports multiple ports but doesn't load in Aum's output.
Hmm well I'm sorry you are having frustrations my friend. I hope an update shall soon cure those issues. What if you opened loopy in audiobus as the output for multiple states and had AUM set as the input? Then opened up AUM and have them all linked. I bet you there is a way. I however have just discovered how well cubasis, AUM, and AB work together. I imported a mixdown of a track I laid out today. Routed the output of cubasis to AB/AUM. created a send in AUM to route tornado, final touch, stereo designer, and some Eq. I have the remote set up on the iPhone and the video output is hooked up to the big screen. Not using any audio interfaces at all. Relaxing on the couch running an acoustic harmonics playlist in the backround
hope you get things running. - cheers
Easy solution create a preset in AB which has a state that is saved linked to AUM Ports which is also saved under a preset for AUM. I do this all the time. It opens up right where I left off. Granted on older devices it's a little gimpy, like my 4th gen. The latest devices instantly pick up right where I left off. Most of the time I'm not using AB but I'm now learning some things just by playing around with cubasis, or any other application which supports a master out and sends. Edit: this is obviously subjective to what application you are using as not everyone uses the same technique.
So I tried using Aum + ab combo and i have to say it did initially work pretty well.
Then I run into trouble with turnado not being in sync and bit slow to respond. Tried all sorts of midi connection with no change.
Also my guitar sound through tonestack just wasn't as rich as with AB. In fact when I got it right in Aum it then sounded weird in AB. Must be something to do with Aum routing inserts differently.
Samplr doesn't load on first go either.
Also Aum doesn't see my akai EIE 's inputs as mono ins and always pairs them into stereo which is another major bummer.
Being more complex set up than what I normally use in AB, I can see myself struggling to troubleshoot anything should go pear shaped on stage. Aum seems very light on cpu/ram which is definitely welcome though.
Will give it another go when next major update drops.
@supadom it's definitely more complex and you have to have the mental capacity to wrap your mind around it. The fact that you showed yourself you can do it means it's possible. Once it clicks you'll be mixing in AUM with AB sends or daw sends all the time. I'll take a screenshot next time I'm running a sesh if that helps.