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Cymbals with cut outs

[Deleted User][Deleted User]
in General App Discussion

Maybe a bit off topic for AB forums, but seeing a lot more cymbals with shapes cut out these days. Any of you drummers can fill me in on what this does and why it seems to be 'a thing'?

Any samples out there?

Comments

  • hacked_to_pieceshacked_to_pieces

    The presence of the cut-outs influences the tuning of the cymbals, encouraging conflicting frequencies. They also interrupt the flow of energy across the cymbals, making them decay quicker in a process that could be compared to short circuiting the vibrations.

    http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/drums/zildjian-efx-cymbals-245010

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @hacked_to_pieces said:
    The presence of the cut-outs influences the tuning of the cymbals, encouraging conflicting frequencies. They also interrupt the flow of energy across the cymbals, making them decay quicker in a process that could be compared to short circuiting the vibrations.

    http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/drums/zildjian-efx-cymbals-245010

    Thanks

  • BluepunkBluepunk

    Used to buy cracked cymbals from the charity shops. Cut the crack(s) out & file to taste. Loved how this changed the sound & feel of them. Then layer a few of these together on the same stand so that they hit each other with every strike. Basically used as an effects cymbal as they have far less projection, faster decay & trashy......yum!

    To get a flavour, try auditioning various saucepan lids....Serious! A heavy duty, professional kitchen version would be preferable although the old Argos own brand 22cm lid had a fabulous splashy tone to it. Please don't touch Le Creuset cookware for this purpose. The wife is still looking for a nice orange lid from her set years after I borrowed it for a gig & destroyed it. Drumming to "Basket Case" with it wasn't a good plan :smile:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Bluepunk

    You're brave using the home crocs ;)

    But I do get the point. I suppose we have moved on from a 'standard' drum sound and now it's finding something new. I better warn my lovely wife that I'm about to hit things in the kitchen ;)

  • BluepunkBluepunk

    Haha, yes indeed. Tip: Hide the pot that the lid you're playing came from. The dents in my head are the results of the times I didn't! :wink:

    Valid point @Fruitbat1919 Without using any drums or drum samples, I've been trying to get a unique snare sound. What I've found is no matter which object (in the house, garden...anywhere) that I can get a thwack or a thud out of, after some EQing, I always find something that I would be able to use & tap my feet along to in a song. IMO it does a basic job of what a snare should do.

    Of course, a £700 Ludwig Black Beauty would be preferable for harder stuff but for light EDM, a half full can of cola struck half way up could do the job. :smile:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Bluepunk said:
    Haha, yes indeed. Tip: Hide the pot that the lid you're playing came from. The dents in my head are the results of the times I didn't! :wink:

    Valid point @Fruitbat1919 Without using any drums or drum samples, I've been trying to get a unique snare sound. What I've found is no matter which object (in the house, garden...anywhere) that I can get a thwack or a thud out of, after some EQing, I always find something that I would be able to use & tap my feet along to in a song. IMO it does a basic job of what a snare should do.

    Of course, a £700 Ludwig Black Beauty would be preferable for harder stuff but for light EDM, a half full can of cola struck half way up could do the job. :smile:

    You Sir are a credit to the open thinking music maker. Thanks, your comments have renewed my desire to go and experiment :)

  • BluepunkBluepunk

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Bluepunk said:
    Haha, yes indeed. Tip: Hide the pot that the lid you're playing came from. The dents in my head are the results of the times I didn't! :wink:

    Valid point @Fruitbat1919 Without using any drums or drum samples, I've been trying to get a unique snare sound. What I've found is no matter which object (in the house, garden...anywhere) that I can get a thwack or a thud out of, after some EQing, I always find something that I would be able to use & tap my feet along to in a song. IMO it does a basic job of what a snare should do.

    Of course, a £700 Ludwig Black Beauty would be preferable for harder stuff but for light EDM, a half full can of cola struck half way up could do the job. :smile:

    You Sir are a credit to the open thinking music maker. Thanks, your comments have renewed my desire to go and experiment :)

    Thank you. Maybe open thinking but mainly down to being a skint music maker! For a reverb tinged bass drum, try tapping an open palm to the stomach. For a compressed version, clenched fist! Good luck & have fun. :smile:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Bluepunk said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @Bluepunk said:
    Haha, yes indeed. Tip: Hide the pot that the lid you're playing came from. The dents in my head are the results of the times I didn't! :wink:

    Valid point @Fruitbat1919 Without using any drums or drum samples, I've been trying to get a unique snare sound. What I've found is no matter which object (in the house, garden...anywhere) that I can get a thwack or a thud out of, after some EQing, I always find something that I would be able to use & tap my feet along to in a song. IMO it does a basic job of what a snare should do.

    Of course, a £700 Ludwig Black Beauty would be preferable for harder stuff but for light EDM, a half full can of cola struck half way up could do the job. :smile:

    You Sir are a credit to the open thinking music maker. Thanks, your comments have renewed my desire to go and experiment :)

    Thank you. Maybe open thinking but mainly down to being a skint music maker! For a reverb tinged bass drum, try tapping an open palm to the stomach. For a compressed version, clenched fist! Good luck & have fun. :smile:

    I am now. No more expensive apps or hardware for me, got to make use of what is free and available :)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Bluepunk said:
    Thank you. Maybe open thinking but mainly down to being a skint music maker! For a reverb tinged bass drum, try tapping an open palm to the stomach. For a compressed version, clenched fist! Good luck & have fun. :smile:

    If you want a deep echo rather than a tinge of reverb you could borrow my stomach :D

  • CalCuttaCalCutta

    @Bluepunk said:
    To get a flavour, try auditioning various saucepan lids....Serious! A heavy duty, professional kitchen version would be preferable although the old Argos own brand 22cm lid had a fabulous splashy tone to it. Please don't touch Le Creuset cookware for this purpose. The wife is still looking for a nice orange lid from her set years after I borrowed it for a gig & destroyed it. Drumming to "Basket Case" with it wasn't a good plan :smile:

    Hahaha!

    A small aside, fair warning if you ever go to a La Creuset store, they will hard-sell and pressure the hell out of you in there!!! Great cookware though.

    I personally tend to find most cut-out cymbals to sound, well...bad. If you're really good at finding precise spots and understanding the impacts, then yeah I'm sure some cool tones can be achieved. Normally a hole/crack is the fastest way to ruining the cymbal's tone. There are exceptions like sizzles, but those can be a bit unwieldy.

    I am a drummer as well, and always preferred short decay to (most) live drums/percussion, except cymbals other than hi-hats. If anything, I always liked taking an in-tact cymbal and experiment with putting materials on them, either as a striking device, or as a resonator (or yes, sometimes a damper).

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