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How do I record into Gadget from other apps?

Hi guys,

Bit confused here.

So I'm using AudioShare as my main hub for all my samples, and I'm going to use a combination of Samplr and Patterning to play around with them. Will be using a variety of synths too.

How do I go about compiling all of my ideas that are based in several different apps into one DAW. Using AudioBus or AUM and then recording directly into the DAW? Will Korg Gadget be able to do this for me? I'm especially keen to use Gadget as my main DAW for its Ableton Live export function.

Sorry if this seems dumb but I'm new to iOS producing and I'm frantically trying to get a setup in place before I fly off out to Vietnam tomorrow!

Cheers x

Comments

  • You can't. Gadget does not support audio tracks

  • And they want £30 for it???

    Are there any other DAWs that do a good job of exporting projects to Ableton Live?

  • Korg's iKaossilator exports to Live, and you can get audio into it, but it's very limited. No audio faders, just clip launch and filter control.

  • You can use AUM as a hub to feed all of your apps into and make audio recordings of basically anything you do with those apps. Combine things, record multiple channels, feed audio from one app to another, to another, etc. AUM is a great audio recorder for such experiments. But a full-featured DAW is needed for doing more traditional song building, sequencing, and mixing. Cubasis and Auria Pro seem to be the most feature-rich on iOS. GarageBand does "DAW-like" things but is rather limited and easy to outgrow. As yug mentioned above, Gadget does not support audio tracks. It has some similarities to a DAW, but it most certainly is not one. It's essentially just a MIDI sequencer hard-wired to a bunch of proprietary synths. I mean it's great, and endless fun, but it's a closed system in that you really can't do a lot with other instruments, effects or audio. The Ableton Live thing is cool if that's your thing.

  • edited June 2016

    I don’t think Gadget is sold as a “DAW.” As a “Mobile Music Studio,” whatever that’s supposed to mean, it’s worth the money to those of us who like it. If your samples are short (5-10 secs), the IAP’s Bilbao and Abu Dhabi can import them for all sorts of manipulations.

  • So other than Gadget and iKaossilator, are there no other apps that export to Live? Is there such a thing as MIDI export? I.e. transferring midi sequences from an iOS DAW into Live?

    If not I guess I have to choose between the following, am I right?

    1. Working on a variety of apps, running them through AUM and into a lightweight DAW such as MultiTrack, but only being able to transfer the project audio over to Live.

    2. Being confined to Gadget but being able to export the entire project over to Live.

  • Could I use Ableton Link to transfer the midi sequences?

    https://www.ableton.com/en/link/apps/

    I basically need a DAW that can record audio and export midi

  • @Jez_Wright said:
    So other than Gadget and iKaossilator, are there no other apps that export to Live? Is there such a thing as MIDI export? I.e. transferring midi sequences from an iOS DAW into Live?

    If not I guess I have to choose between the following, am I right?

    1. Working on a variety of apps, running them through AUM and into a lightweight DAW such as MultiTrack, but only being able to transfer the project audio over to Live.

    2. Being confined to Gadget but being able to export the entire project over to Live.

    gadget does have a few instruments that allow you to work with your own samples. Bilbao, a drum machine, is one of them. Abu Dhabi, which is a loop slicer is another. I think they are IAP though on top of the price for Gadget itself. But they aren't anywhere remotely close to something like Samplr. If you're working primarily with one-shot ' short samples then the gadgets would probably meet most of your needs. You could theoretically do your recordings and experiments inside of AUM using the built in audio recording functionality, then use AudioCopy to organize those recordings, trim them, make slices, normalize, fade, etc. and create a bunch of samples to import into any of the sample-based Gadget instruments for further exploration, in addition to the many synths inside of gadget. Some of which are quite good. But, this route is primarily focused around your need for Ableton integration. In the grand scheme of things having that integration at the forefront of your needs list will limit pretty heavily your list of options. The most flexible route in the iOS ecosystem will be one of the higher-end DAWs as mentioned previously... Cubasis or Auria Pro.

  • @Jez_Wright said:
    Could I use Ableton Link to transfer the midi sequences?

    https://www.ableton.com/en/link/apps/

    I basically need a DAW that can record audio and export midi

    studiomux is used to import/export audio and midi between iPad and Mac/PC. To record audio maybe Audioshare is what u need. As you are writing here I suppose you know Audiobus: pot whichever IAA as input and Audioshare as output to record. Maybe too simple, but should work

  • @brice

    Would I be able to incorporate Samplr into that workflow?

    AudioShare (field recording) -> Samplr -> AudioCopy -> Gadget (Bilbao / AD)

    I could probably get by using just Gadget's synths, although I would like to use Patterning for drums. I guess I could always sequence these out using Ableton Link at a later date?

    I was hoping to have a workflow similar to this but I'm guessing it's just not possible?

    AudioShare -> Samplr \
    + \
    AudioShare -> Patterning -------------> AUM -----------> iOS DAW ---------> Ableton Live
    + /
    Animoog / iMS20 / iMini /

  • Everything -> auria , export stems -> live and cut it up

  • @Jez_Wright said:
    @brice

    Would I be able to incorporate Samplr into that workflow?

    AudioShare (field recording) -> Samplr -> AudioCopy -> Gadget (Bilbao / AD)

    I could probably get by using just Gadget's synths, although I would like to use Patterning for drums. I guess I could always sequence these out using Ableton Link at a later date?

    I was hoping to have a workflow similar to this but I'm guessing it's just not possible?

    AudioShare -> Samplr \
    + \
    AudioShare -> Patterning -------------> AUM -----------> iOS DAW ---------> Ableton Live
    + /
    Animoog / iMS20 / iMini /

    Absolutely. Here is a standard mix setup in AUM; two channels are playing back audio files (field recordings, etc) both of which are being passed through multiple effects on each channel. A third channel is receiving audio from Samplr, with additional effects on that channel. All three channels are then being summed into a mix bus channel with some compression and EQ applied. And the signal from that mix bus channel is set to record. Once you're done recording, AUM will drop that file into AudioCopy. You can then chop it up, do what you need to do and import your chops into Gadget to sequence.


    Additionally, you can send MIDI out of Patterning and have Gadget receive it. And you can send multiple channels out from Patterning, as well as receive on multiple channels in Gadget. So you could have Patterning running a sequence to a variety of different instruments inside of Gadget. AUM isn't necessary for this to work, unless you want to have AUM recording the output of Gadget.

    And yes, you can definitely load those synths you mentioned in AUM and record their outputs. You just won't have any way to sequence them. Essentially, whatever you want to do with them you'd be doing live in realtime, free of any MIDI clock, etc. That can get a bit tricky, but it is possible.

  • edited June 2016

    @brice

    Very cool post. Very nicely explained.

    I hadn't really thought of using Patterning multichannel midi out into multiple gadgets. But it's powerful combination - especially when you factor in Gadget modulation (and being able to record and adjust the midi in Gadget later).

  • @Hansson said:
    Everything -> auria , export stems -> live and cut it up

    Me too. I just record directly into Ableton through my iConnect track by track. It is so much easier than trying to export files, etc.

    @brice Thanks for the tutorial.
    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 I had feeling you'd show up when Gadget was mentioned. :)

  • @mkell424 said:

    @Hansson said:
    Everything -> auria , export stems -> live and cut it up

    Me too. I just record directly into Ableton through my iConnect track by track. It is so much easier than trying to export files, etc.

    @brice Thanks for the tutorial.
    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 I had feeling you'd show up when Gadget was mentioned. :)

    Of course... :)

  • I've tried recording vocals and playing them through abu dhabi, but the size limits, and specifically, the length of each slice (a couple seconds before the envelope decays and cuts off the end of the slice) make it mental.

    I end up just recording the gadget mix into garage band, then record audio onto another track. Not that heinous of a workaround, ultimately.

  • edited June 2016

    @Jez_Wright

    Didn't read full thread so my apologies if this has already been addressed. What I write below answers your second question about exporting into Ableton Live, not your original question.

    There are many ways to get MIDI and audio from the ipad to Ableton Live.

    *Gadget is probably the most convenient. It exports MIDI and audio that import directly into Live's session view. Very handy.

    *As others on the thread have said, there are many ways to save audio files on ios. These files can be imported into Live via many different ways - dropbox, itunes, etc.

    *Some ios apps also allow you export MIDI files that can be imported into Live - for example Cubasis, Modstep (I think), Suggester

    *Many apps output audio and/or MIDI. There are multiple ways you can link your ipad and your computer and move audio and MIDI directly between them in realtime - Studiomux, musicio are apps that allow you to do this. There are many different ways you can use hardware for this kind of direct transfer (for example the icconectmidi boxes).

    hth

  • Pretty sure Korg's iKaossilator exports to Live, and you can import audio into it, but it's very limited in what you can do with that audio. No audio faders, basically just clip launch and filter sweep.

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