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Chronium: Two Thumbs Up!

I realize there are a number of "circle type apps" lately. But, 1 stands out!

CHRONIUM

I just had to make a thread to notice this app and let others know about what I find to be a groundbreaking app for those into hard house, acid, techno, or glitch.

The app is unique in that it works on multiple dimensions of sonic measures and resistance. The key to this app is quality sounds and ease of use. The other key feature of this app is complexity of sound and basic sounds. Contradictory right? That is what one may think, but, quite the contrary.

Not being 100% sure of all its ins and outs I find the experience with the app is almost generative through my own triggering and fiddling. Which is kind of cool.

The app doesn't require massive amounts of time or settings, yet seems to have a place in most things I am working on one way or another. Albeit, a loop or a sample of a sound taken some where else. (Moebius)

Anyway, I just wanted to let the community know about my experience with this newer app to the scene. The developer is also seemingly responsive and friendly.

Comments

  • Yes, it's a very fun app and even with it's generative abilities it is relatively straight forward to use.

  • in fact it does stand out... just wasted 10 minutes with a video featuring the app
    didn't recognize any mode of operation beyond randomly moving around colored patterns and hope for sound

    I already have wavetables by PPG, FM by TF-7, modular with iVCS, additive (?) by Mitosynth and some classic Moog stuff...
    any 'new' synth to enter the game has to be on par with at least one of those
    which this one does not seem to be in any of it's section
    sorry for the developer, though...

    cheers, Tom

  • @Telefunky said:
    sorry for the developer, though...

    Thank you for your compassion ;-)
    Though I should point out that my goal was not to take any existing synthesis technique and make it better, as you seem to suggest. The really unique thing about it is that it gives you a graphic interface to a sequencer based on the principle of Logique Analogique, plus a Trautonium-like continuous-frequency, pressure sensitive playing interface (works best on 3D Touch devices).
    I know there is plenty of room for improvement, and I have pretty ambitious plans for v2.0, so maybe we should talk again when that version is out (probably towards the end of this year), which will also expose the full synth engine with its 8 oscillators and 4 filters per voice, powerful signal routing system, etc.

  • edited July 2016

    only partly about synthesis
    it would be ridiculous to expect 'improved' sound quality with those apps as a reference
    I'd even accept a somewhat weaker synth engine if the user interface improves workflow

    TC-11 is a great example which illustrates the difficulties once you leave the traditional dial/fader paradigm
    to be honest... I never got beyond some fiddling around... funky screen action and a couple of surprises
    (there is a great documentation, but you know... skipped... 2nd step before the 1st... my bad)

    someday I choose the midi-only version TC-Data to control an external synth with predefined CC settings
    now I was forced to do my own assignment to surface action to hear anything at all
    still complex for time or location based relations, but worked amazingly well
    it also provided a deeper understanding of the concept which in turn improved the use of TC-11

    based on the video I did not detect any particular method, as you mention above
    the note mod switching was annoying, the miniature sequences on the main surface provided few information
    (except x/y position - not even sure if the distinct color bands might be (vertical) subdivisions)

    in obscurity it somewhat reminded me on W. Palm's Wavemapper
    I read the latter's doc about a couple of times, but it just doesn't seem to sink in permanently (again: my bad)

    another failure (imho) due to (hidden) interface complexity is BeatSpiral from 2012
    it's a 4 part audio looper with outstanding functionality... once you start checking it's background
    just by trial and error that would be a tough one... or close to impossible
    never got beyond version 1, $0.99 in the shop, 5k views on YT for the intro
    (I mention it here because you display some data in a very similiar way)

    all 3 apps have quite an unusual GUI approach - and a very effective one, too
    but: that's hidden from initial view - which is cool for workflow
    once you know the thing...
    but this in turn doesn't happen for the point & clicker le'me try it out dudes ever ;)

    live example:
    roughly in the middle of the Chronium video Doug shifts around the big left/right arrow faders
    (near bottom of screen) for 20 seconds or so with no sound change going on at all
    and then mumbling something like: well, you >hear... you see... that's what they are for... (scnr)

    btw: even if the name of the app has an intended purpose I'd surrender to online autocorrect and change it
    you can't really search for the item...

    cheers, Tom

  • @Telefunky said:
    in fact it does stand out... just wasted 10 minutes with a video featuring the app
    didn't recognize any mode of operation beyond randomly moving around colored patterns and hope for sound

    I already have wavetables by PPG, FM by TF-7, modular with iVCS, additive (?) by Mitosynth and some classic Moog stuff...
    any 'new' synth to enter the game has to be on par with at least one of those
    which this one does not seem to be in any of it's section
    sorry for the developer, though...

    cheers, Tom

    I didn't know that this was even mentioned as a similar product or Wavetable like PPG or FM or any of the other ones you mentioned?

    This app is nothing like a synth. I dont think the developer claimed that.

    Do you have this app? Because once I spent time with it the "hows" of manipulating the sound become clear in a short period of time and experimentation.

    By your description I am guessing that you have a long list of many IOS music apps that are based on abstract concepts and interfaces that also apparently disgust you as this app does.

    Like Shoom, Reactable, Cs3, and really any of the granular synthesis apps. The list in endless of obtuse ways of viewing the real world understanding of cutting edge music innovation of both sound and performance. Creativity is another huge thing not even able to be squeezed in this thread.

    I am guess I am just a little over the obtuse boring old "# number of oscillators" or nit picking about things like frequency rates and parameters available....blah blah blah. And the "does it have LINK" or "what scales are available on it".

    That is so yesterday for so many reasons and so many people. It is about how it sounds and how you make the sounds, that's it for me.

    This app and the availability of abstract and rapid fire sample conversions, mutations, looping, and sequencing make this app AN INCREDIBLE PIECE OF SONIC WITCH CRAFT FOR IOS HOUSE MUSIC PURVEYORS.

    I kind of think that most people agree one app alone is not most often the sole way they are most effective.

    I will be sure to put a piece together using this app in the next couple of days to show what it is capable of.

    You just seem a little intense or personally fired up about this app. You sure you don't have anything professionally related to your critique? Who know I guess.

    I never saw some one so down on something that I don't think they really actually used for very long if at all. It seems you whole description was based on a video you watched?

    Have a great day any way!

  • Frankly, when I see someone post what borders on disrespectful and disparaging to a new app it bums me out quite a bit.

    I find that one of several things is going on.

    Either the person posting is actually in the business in some way, make it professional and financial in nature. Which many people don't disclose actually.

    or

    The person saying just mean things is not in the development world and has no idea how much hard work and soul goes into an app.

    If I like an app I let people know.

    If I don't, I may say its not for me. But, I never attack the quality of the work and concept in a way to demean the creator and inspiration behind it.

    Momma taught me "if you don't got nothin nice to say, don't say it child".

    But that is just me.

    Fritz, I think your app is off the hook and I am sure many others do. And I think the name is cool as shit. I think most people are smart enough to find a word on a computer in spite of spell checks....................right?

  • in fact I have a ton of apps that add to a 4 figure amount in bucks...
    but I am in no way 'disgusted' about abstract interface concepts
    I just mention a couple of problems that seem common to many of them
    which is not the fault of the developer in the first place, but considering 'success' of an app it's a main factor in common use and acceptance... which after all brings the money...

    would you mind to point me to some public statements about the use of Wavemapper or TC-11 beyond intro videos ?
    there's Korg Gadgets, Tera and similiar well known concepts all over the place
    I lack to find Apefilter or Sparkle, at least according to their relevance (imo) in comparison to (say) some mediocre vocoder stuff which is packed in a simple ready to go interface

    I don't write this to piss someone off, but to point things out for improvement
    ... and be it only to improve video presentations
    while you mentioned that: yes - I judged based on a video - as will do many folks
    (in my particular case because I already have more than fits on a single device, so any new entry must be convincing)

    frankly - the video was crap, because it obviously didn't publish what the developer had in mind...
    it was a tracked as one of those: let me fiddle around for a while clips
    which applies to most videos @thesoundtestroom ... making them overly long in duration
    Doug is a nice guy for shure, kind of entertaining, and I know many appreciate his work
    nevertheless the afforementioned scene from the middle part of the Chromium video is kind of symptomatic... but that's not the point here

    I'm not a newbie to synthesis and DAW technology and started with an iPad one right after it's release
    IOS is an outstanding environment for audio processing
    (I have Protools TDM and Creamware DSP systems for direct comparison)

    yet some of the IOS stuff doesn't even remotely get the attention it deserves

    and if you look carefully, you'll observe what I pointed out above:
    it's frequently about user interface paradigms
    my original complaint (wasted time) is NOT related to the answer I posted for @Fritz
    in fact as far as I'm concerned I love such interface approaches
    (in cases where they turn out to be 'productive', not for gimmick sake)
    yet it's naive to ignore potential problems

    cheers, Tom

  • @RustiK well said and I agree if an app isn't for you there's really no need put the app or its creator down.

    If you think the developer has misrepresented what the app can do or what you believe was promised in terms of future updates, it can still be discussed respectfully.

    Many developers are motivated by their desire to contribute to music rather than for financial gain and create apps on a part time basis. I would hate to see our discussions here discourage developers. At some point, I'm sure we've all been on the receiving end of criticisms which feel like personal attacks rather than attempts to support our creative efforts.

    Rather than expressing our immediate frustrations about an app in a public forum, we might all be better off letting the intensity of those emotions die down rather than responding in the moment.

    Our interests and concerns may not be shared by others and sometimes we can forget that and respond in ways where we can seem to be trying to impose our point of view on others which can rub people the wrong way.

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