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Voice stealing algorithms for Gadgets mono synths?
Does anybody with perhaps more discerning ears with mine know what the protocol is for the voice stealing if I was to say record a gadget mono synth on top of itself in multiple loop passes? Does anyone do this?
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I have no idea what you're talking about but you had me TOTALLY hooked with "voice-stealing algorithms." Is this a Doctor Who thing??
ELI5 Plz @ExAsperis99 isn't the only one left in the dark....
Haha ok so if I record a 4 bar melody with let's say, Dublin, Dublin is monophonic, one note at a time, so if I let the loop continue to loop and record, I'll be playing more midi notes on top of the notes already recorded. Because Dublin can only play one note at a time, it has to make a decision which note to play if there are simultaneous notes. Some mono synths will do it by pitch, usually letting the higher notes take priority, I think others just do it by the most recent. If Gadgets synths go the "most recent" route, that could be used creatively as a way to continuously loop and vary a phrase audibly even though visually the midi notes will look like an absolute mess.
There are other factors as well but I only just came across the concept
To my 'ears' Gadget does it 'right'
Meaning if you 'sustain' a note at C4 for the entire bar and then add additional notes, those notes will temporarily set the pitch and trigger the envelopes (legato off) and then revert back to the pitch of the droning note.
With legato on the pitch will just be set temporarily without triggering envelopes and then revert back to the pitch of the droning note.
If you add two or more additional notes on a step the highest of the 'new' notes (ignoring the sustaining note) gets priority for the pitch after which it again reverts to the pitch of the sustained note.
To get the hang of how the pitch-priority works add a sustaining note (say C4) and add new notes and see how they 'play'.
If it was pure 'high note priority' adding notes below the sustaining note would have no effect...
And it was pure 'low note' priority adding anything above the sustaining note would have no effect...
That's the best I can do for now
I believe it does it by last note triggered. And if they are triggered at the same time, the highest.
Just checked, Samu and Matt are right (of course)
And now i have learnt what voice stealing is. I love this forum.
yes. its exactly as Matt and Samu have described.
@samu awesome explanation. Thank you. @matt so it would not be possible to say "replace" a note if the new note is lower in pitch and roughly the same duration?
Next step is to see how the polyphonic instruments rect
I suspect last note priority for most Gadgets as there seems to be no pre-set polyphony limit?!
I don't even no how many 'notes' Gadgets engine is able to mix at once before it gives up and burps like there's no tomorrow...
Phoenix is 4 note polyphony with high note priority...
Amazing. I was just accidentally doing this in Modstep on the train ride in from Brooklyn this morning. (High note priority, if you're interested.) It's completely staccato at the moment. Can you modify the legato afterward?
Dublin has a 'Legato Switch'...
It's highest, lowest or last
Send 2 or 3 notes together than you know if it's high or low
Somebody else may come up with how to test for last
Ideally it would always be "last/most recent" with of course optional legato. I believe this is the most useful creatively. is there one note off target? No problem just play/record the sequence through and punch in the correct note at that moment and assuming you have competent timing, boom, done. With no worries regarding whether the pitch is higher or lower.
Hm if I send 3 notes at the time, which one is supposed to play now with last?
Any? Lol
Just make the lower note trigger slightly later. The duration isn't relevant as far as I know. It's just the point at which the note is triggered (note on).
hell I dunno. Wouldn't you have to program the three to get exact timing? And if you're playing why would you attempt 3 note block chords on a monosynth? I guess live looping would be the only scenario where it would make sense. Now I'm questioning my own sanity.
^^ sorry to add more confusion
Everything mono I know uses lowest or highest key, they are obvious what is going to happen
With last key, there still must be some defined high low priority other wise it would play a random note of a chord which is a very random unpredictable scenario
Btw. This is not voice stealing
Voice stealing is polyphonic,
when have a 6 voice synth and play more voices than you have, what notes disappear when you play two 4 notes chords with long release after another ( you need 8 voices for this without something missing) ...
is there a proper term for what we are talking about then? For future googling purposes.
Something like Note priority in mono mode
I believe we have already established it is called VOODOO.
^^