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Why oh why (still no split screen midi controller app)

Is it just me who thinks it's crazy that there is still no midi controller app such as:

  • TB midi stuff
  • Lemur
  • Midi Designer Pro
  • Sonic Logic
  • Knob labs
  • Midi me

Etc etc

that lets you smoothly control midi CCs while in split screen or slide over mode.

I mean come on - that's such an obvious use case isn't it? Have your sequencer on the left side, and control sound modulation from the right side of the screen.

The closest we have is SideCar - but the pads don't really work (yet) for controlling midi CCs because they 'jump' when you retouch them.

Split screen came out with iOS9 and we're now nearly on iOS10. I'm surprised none of the above apps have adopted split screen. It's not even like they have a big UI headache because the user designs the UI themselves and could even be restricted to quarter and half screen canvas sizes.

Anyway - rant over :).

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  • edited July 2016

    edit: sorry overlooked that you mentioned Sidecar.

    I cannot get down with split-screen. When I try to use it, I wind up accidentally swiping. It's almost like multitasking gestures for me.

  • edited July 2016

    I've been requesting this for the LaunchControl XL... It was written in web midi/html/java... And so an editor equivalent of its desktop version for iOS should be doable. Would be great to have exactly what you suggest, even better if it had "blue hand" equivalent for dynamic mappings across presets, device chains, etc. Same would work for BCR/F 2000, APC 40 etc. I'd want it to work both exclusively in iOS, and into Ableton. It's also MCU/HUI for those who use those DAWs.

  • I agree! Split screen MIDI control is something the forum talked about before iOS 9 came out. In fact there hasn't been much development for music apps in regards to slide over and split screen.

  • Developers, please don't do slide over for apps.

    Do 'split screen' view for apps.

  • edited July 2016

    @Kaikoo2 said:
    Developers, please don't do slide over for apps.

    Do 'split screen' view for apps.

    Yep. Split screen is much better, I agree. But I believe if the app you are using it with doesn't have split screen too, you get slide over by default.

    Anyway @sonosaurus - you did such a fantastic job making Thumbjam split screen, could you just 'knock up' a simple app that is 16 midi knobs sending out 16 CCs (they can be fixed for all I care) and make it split screen? :)

    That's all I want!!! I just don't want to have to carry round and plug in a hardware midi controller or app switch all the time (and have my audio glitch).

    Pretty please :)

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @Kaikoo2 said:
    Developers, please don't do slide over for apps.

    Do 'split screen' view for apps.

    Yep. Split screen is much better, I agree. But I believe if the app you are using it with doesn't have split screen too, you get slide over by default.

    Anyway @sonosaurus - you did such a fantastic job making Thumbjam split screen, could you just 'knock up' a simple app that is 16 midi knobs sending out 16 CCs (they can be fixed for all I care) and make it split screen? :)

    That's all I want!!! I just don't want to have to carry round and plug in a hardware midi controller or app switch all the time (and have my audio glitch).

    Pretty please :)

    This would be great.

  • So none of the various generic midi interface builder apps do split screen yet? You should definitely bug them all about it directly!

  • edited July 2016

    Midi Designer Pro should have this split view feature, because it has half screen multipage view implemented already.

    Paid IAP version 2 should be updating for this extra. I don't like my upgrade at this moment.

  • @sonosaurus said:
    So none of the various generic midi interface builder apps do split screen yet? You should definitely bug them all about it directly!

    Nope. Not as far as I know.

    The MidiDesigner forum seemed to say it was coming (I think) but then v2 came along and it wasn't mentioned.

  • Totally agree with this! Split view is just crying for better implementation...

  • @sonosaurus said:
    So none of the various generic midi interface builder apps do split screen yet? You should definitely bug them all about it directly!

    Redirected with class. :) Could just as easily be (and perhaps better as) 12-16 TJ style tines with the addition of an indication of last release position (==currentValue). Or just plain old iOS sliders. Just saying.

  • edited July 2016

    support for slide over, split screen and pip is a tragedy
    its a year later now, just have a look at apples own apps, baaaah
    and still no drag and drop or working search
    after 5 years Im starting to lose interest in iPad :/
    maybe there is more time for iPad now, since the watch os isn't completely ridiculous anymore?

  • Don't forget midilfos.

    midiLFOs - midi modulation toy by Arthur Kerns
    https://appsto.re/gb/XmhG7.i

  • In the right of my screen(split Over) , i have several midi apps : thumjam, tc 11 ,AB remote ,DD , Noatikl, honeychord , sidecar, Infinite Looper , midiflow...Different Drummer ,midiflow and Noatikl can do midi control no ? I havent test yet but Im sure you can do something with those apps .

  • edited July 2016

    It's hard. Instead of having to support one aspect ratio/resolution you have to support multiple. It's a lot of effort to get up to speed with Autolayout (the main means to implement this).

    Btw: SlideOver and SplitView are the same thing from a tech perspective. You can't support one without the other.

  • @grego68 - DIfferent Drummer can do midi control. CCs can be selected for the pan wave on each track.

  • I know and Noatikl too .With Thumjam in split Over it' s a pure unknown pleasure.

    @funjunkie27 said:
    @grego68 - DIfferent Drummer can do midi control. CCs can be selected for the pan wave on each track.

  • @Sebastian said:
    It's hard. Instead of having to support one aspect ratio/resolution you have to support multiple. It's a lot of effort to get up to speed with Autolayout (the main means to implement this).

    Btw: SlideOver and SplitView are the same thing from a tech perspective. You can't support one without the other.

    I've started using AB remote in my live setup just because it supports split view so well. Does it work because you can scale the portrait view of remote?

  • I totally agree. I dont get why more apps generating midi don't support split. big up thumbjam. I hope to see chordion, soundprism, firo, arepegggionome, chordpolyapp take the same route... makes writing so much easier!

  • @grego68 said:
    In the right of my screen(split Over) , i have several midi apps : thumjam, tc 11 ,AB remote ,DD , Noatikl, honeychord , sidecar, Infinite Looper , midiflow...Different Drummer ,midiflow and Noatikl can do midi control no ? I havent test yet but Im sure you can do something with those apps .

    It's a fine list but none of these let you map a slider/knob to some arbitrary MIDI CC.

  • edited July 2016

    @grego68 said:
    I know and Noatikl too .With Thumjam in split Over it' s a pure unknown pleasure.

    @funjunkie27 said:
    @grego68 - DIfferent Drummer can do midi control. CCs can be selected for the pan wave on each track.

    Any possibility of a screen grab of DD in slideover mode showing it's midi cc controls? Or Noatikl?

    I basically just want 8 or more knobs/sliders all on one page that I can get at quickly. If they map to 8 different, but fixed, ccs that's not too big an issue (since I can map them in Gadget). Being able to chose the channel they each go out to would be useful (although I could remap in midiflow fairly easily).

    (Just before I part with £8 only to find out it doesn't actually do what I need...)

  • Noatikl looks interesting. Does that give you some sliders you can have in the screen at the same time and map to some CCs?

  • DD gives you three useable sliders and three tracks, so nine sliders in total....unless there's a way to scroll the app in slide over mode. If you can do that, you'll have 8x8 - 64 sliders.

    Also the CCs aren't the complete 0-127, but there are probably 30-40.

  • edited July 2016

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Sebastian said:
    It's hard. Instead of having to support one aspect ratio/resolution you have to support multiple. It's a lot of effort to get up to speed with Autolayout (the main means to implement this).

    Btw: SlideOver and SplitView are the same thing from a tech perspective. You can't support one without the other.

    I've started using AB remote in my live setup just because it supports split view so well. Does it work because you can scale the portrait view of remote?

    It works because we put in the effort to support it and designed it that way. That it scales doesn't just happen automatically, it's a direct result of us wanting it to work on iPhone and iPad alike with a similar layout. Without that approach, SpltView/SlideOver support would have been a lot harder to implement and we probably wouldn't have done it.

  • I also love Audiobus Remote in slide over mode, however I wish it was easier to hit the fast switching icons in a live situation without accidentally touching other controls. Amount of times that I've deleted my current 'Samplr' sample by touching the 'record' button when I just wanted to switch app..

  • @funjunkie27 said:
    DD gives you three useable sliders and three tracks, so nine sliders in total....unless there's a way to scroll the app in slide over mode. If you can do that, you'll have 8x8 - 64 sliders.

    Also the CCs aren't the complete 0-127, but there are probably 30-40.

    Thank you.

    I just bought Noatikl actually because it looked quite interesting from a general midi rabbit hole perspective.

    I probably bought the wrong one from a midi slider perspective though. Although I it looks like I can get access to 5 or so sliders fairly easily - for fixed CCs on a given midi channel.

  • Hope it does the trick for you Matt.

  • @OscarSouth said:
    I also love Audiobus Remote in slide over mode, however I wish it was easier to hit the fast switching icons in a live situation without accidentally touching other controls. Amount of times that I've deleted my current 'Samplr' sample by touching the 'record' button when I just wanted to switch app..

    I love (actual) use cases. Good'n.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Noatikl looks interesting. Does that give you some sliders you can have in the screen at the same time and map to some CCs?

    Sorry Matt ,it was sleeping Time here when you asked...



  • Thank you @grego68

    I figured it would be this screen to simply adjust CCs on the fly...

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