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MPE (Multiddimensional Polyphonic Expression) Supported Apps
which apps did support native MPE Support?
Ask cause i wait for my ROLI Rise.....:--)
Moog Model 15
Thumbjam
NOISE (Roli)
GeoShred (description: MIDI MPE support coming in early 2016)
support the new Standard....
which apps did you know?
@GeertBevin whats with animoog? MPE support is obvious, is it possible yet?
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@jordanwizdom how far is GEOShred MPE support developing?
and just for your info:
"*** Special introductory price of US$14.99 until January 30, 2016 ***
GeoShred, The Future of Shredding … No strings attached"
think you wanna take this out, ....or make a new (welcome) "on sale" ;-)
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Animoog and GeoShred both have MPE support in beta, and both are working well
Here is most of the rest of the list you are looking for (not all support MPE proper, but they support voice per channel which is the main thing):
Sonosaurus:
ThumbJam
DrumJam
PPG:
WaveGenerator
WaveMapper
ROLI:
Noise 5D
Moog:
Model 15
Animoog (soon, in beta)
Anckorage:
SpringSound
Wizdom Music:
Geo Synthesizer
SampleWiz
GeoShred (soon, in beta)
Blue Mango:
iFretless Bass/Guitar/Sax
Arctic Pro Synth
I don't even know what it is! Is it louder on the inside than on the outside or something?
I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering... What is MPE?
http://www.rogerlinndesign.com/mpe.html here is a brief explanation.
Also, Cantor was another MIDI controller app that did this, right?
Is it a kind of Theremin like Bebot , Era , Noise roli ? Noise is a very good sounding app but i have no idea How to Record something with it .The IAP hybrid acoustic is excellent but we need audiobus and IAA ! Same thing for Geoshred with midi
This great to know....
Thx @sonosaurus
Not an app - but Synthmaster supports MPE in latest update.
I'm still wondering what it means... But hey cool, new stuff!
That's great to know, thanks! Looks like that is in the computer version though, not on iOS...
Besides getting mpe midi from an external controller, how can you make advantage of the extended possibilities between apps?
From some posts (@Matt_Fletcher_2000 and @HandOfEmpty) I've gathered I could play notes from an mpe app to multiple instruments (on different channels), and/or send several parameter control messages and even, with midi thru & arpeggiating, let incoming notes/cc's be spread/cycle over/on the midi out channels.
Curious on your take on it, does it offer significant advantages over accomplishing such tasks by a conventional sequencer?
@ccs2
As you probably know, the soundshaping possibilities afforded by note-per-channel are a lucky byproduct of the workaround the MPE crew needed to use to get polyphonic aftertouch and individual pitchbend for each note, neither of which are natively supported by MIDI. I'd love a Seaboard or a Linnstrument, but the hook for me is having different synths or voices play different parts of a chord or performance.
You can take it a step further from the Nord Drum / Gadget examples and have a completely different synth or sampler play each note. If you perform with ThumbJam or Geoshred, you can set it up so each successive keystroke cycles through channels 2-5 with a different instrument on each one. If you use a proper MPE controller, you can get most of the MPE expressiveness happening there too without needing proper MPE support on the synth side.
If you have numerous monophonic hardware synths, you can use this principle to play them polyphonically with one keyboard. Just imagine hooking up six MS-20s...
Another possibility is using Navichord's note-per-channel support which doesn't cycle, but instead always sends the first note in a chord to channel 1, the second to channel 2, the third to channel 3, etc. In this situation you lose some of the beautiful randomness that comes from cycling through different sound sources, but you can design your chords precisely. For example, in Aum you can have iSymhonic play the root note, have iMini and iMS20 playing the second and third notes, and have M3000 play the rest. Run them all into the same FX bus with BIAS and Crystalline and you've got a beautiful mess. Yes, that's a particularly chaotic example, but more tasteful combinations aren't hard to dream up. You could easily have five separate instances of iSymphonic in Auria with different FabFilter effect combinations on each note. Pure indulgence.
Another thing is the microtonal possibilities that come from these types of controllers. In this video, Dolores Catherino is using a controller where the keys are 20 cents apart instead of 100 (a semitones). I love the sounds she gets out of it: https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=LLvD-8qXbi2-4iwPcBMjxOaQ&v=Eeol_sxCAho ... I'm not sure if this is an MPE controller per se, but this is the kind of thing you can do.
As for sequencing, I'm now pleased to be able to play back a regular single channel MIDI performance - through Geoshred as a MIDI "filter" - into my six-times-mono Nord Drum and have it play back polyphonically instead of sequencing it manually across six tracks - which is completely impractical. The Geoshred filter trick means you can do the simplified note-per-channel thing using a normal sequencer. For me that's huge, mostly because I'm intent on getting as much as I possibly can out of this Nord Drum.
Sounds promising for the experimenter, thanks for answering @HandOfEmpty !
It is one string (row) in geoshred per channel, and you say it's happening between, when playing notes consecutively, yes? From my keyboard I could see that notes from a lower octave would trigger a different channel, how would the correct setup look like (for say Moog model 15 or Thumbjam) sending and receiving mpe midi? I noticed that a gadget instrument would be modulated from (a big enough) touch area/note per row in geoshred. Many thoughts and things to consider here.
that is kinda brilliant. everytime i think i have a grasp on midi, i read something that opens up even more potential.
Hi @ccs2 , MIDI in from a single channel always looks like it's "activating" the first row in GeoShred, but you don't need to worry about GeoShred's rows. The note-per-channel functionality is completely independent of the app's layout when using it as a channel - the "sequential" part happens automatically based on the order you play the notes. FYI, you can see how I set it up in the other thread: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/16672/geoshred-2-0-should-i-buy-it#latest
@BiancaNeve
The pitchbend/vibrato thing is the most boring aspect of mpe to me,
but it's very expressive, that's what makes it great. (Roli isn't stupid you can turn the pitchbend/vibrato thing (they call it glide) off with one of the sliders and use all other 4 dimensions of touch, so you don't get such a wobbly pitch).
The little roli is only 2 octaves so it's very limited.
MPE is all about playing (and it generates an enormous amount of control data, it's based on midi, the splitting of the channels is done to get that amount of controll per note, it then walks the input channels around kind of like dynamic voice allocation in a Synth ), it makes every other none mpe keyboard look very old.
The 4 octave thing is fun, but it costs an arm and a leg.
On the desktop side there is logic, max, kyma and bitwig that support this.
The cheapest mpe controller is the the roli light blocks thing.
BTW. Roger Linn likes to hatefully speak of the piano as on/off switches and advertises his grid thing as the best idea since sliced bread
guitar players with no feeling for velocity and no idea how to play the piano
I don't need to guess twice who is selling more, roli keyboards or linn grids?
It's all very pricey now, but this is just the beginning.
Costs will come down with massproduction.
I'd like to have an 3 Octave mpe keyboard for 300 €,
thanks in advance, (and it doesn't need to do the glide thing).
I know you've mentioned in the past that you need some sort of tangible physical resistance or surface involved, but are you sure there isn't room for theremin-like implements within MPE?
Hm, good question
let's look at what mpe does
velocity won't work
Release velocity won't work
Pressure/aftertouch wont work
3 of 5 won't work
Glide works already without mpe
Slide may work
Theremin is two hands one for pitch one for volume,
If you put volume on a footpedal there is one(2 for 2 feet) destination free for timbre manipulation?
I know you thought more of videotracking in 3D or something.
I know very little about VR
And what I've seen isn't to impressive
It still makes me seasick and it's uncomfortable as hell.
For precise control they use joypads ...
We are trapped in a physical world I guess.
I was reading an interview with an NASA astronaut, she wrote a book about I forgot what ... mars?
However, she was talking about having sex in zero gravity and the conclusion was it only works if you bondage one person to some part of the spaceship otherwise you always push away from each other or bump into whatever is around
This is kind of a similar situation, you need something to push against to do the thing.
Hm, Looking at other things
JMJs laser harp is kind of primitiv
It just does certain pitches on off
But if you would additionally look at the distance of the hand to the source of the beam you would have a 2nd parameter...
So you could have pitch and fake velocity like every other midi controller.
Thinking about it this could work with video tracking too.
To be investigated...
All of this is very gimmicky and nothing to be used for more than 5 or 10 minutes,
It simply makes your arm want to fall off,
Humans are not built for that kind of interface.
This is just a hexagonal keyboard nothing fancy about it.
Instead of distributing the microtonal pitches on the white keys as you would do it on an normal Keyboard she uses this so the pitches aren't that far away from each other so she can play stuff with one hand.
thanks for the link - indeed I wondered 'what the heck..'
with all respect due to Roger:
imho it's a storm in a teacup and the result simply doesn't justify the effort.
Some of the most 'expressive' keyboard solos I know were played on non-velocity/non-aftertouch devices.
If a group of note events is pitched by the same amount or by slight individual offsets doesn't make it more expressive just by the fact it can be done.
That's geek stuff and frankly said a self excuse for those who lack expression on their own
I understand the marketing aspect of forming a group to fire sales of supposedly exclusive gear, but I couldn't care less - far from essential, let alone groundbreaking
Oh mpe is nothing to sneeze at.
Alone the pressure/aftertouch thing is great.
There are no aftertouch keyboards on the market.
Sliding up and down on the keys is also great.
Release velocity is kind of unusual to play, needs some training.
(I also feel meh about grids and vibrato/pitchbend)
I'm not against it, I just don't mind.
If someone considers it essential for his or her play, go for it...
We have so much more options than Vangelis to make a pad stand out in space
The mpe thing is based around the idea that you have both hands on the keyboard and not one hand on the keyboard and one hand on the knobs ...
They always talk about how limited keyboards are with pitch but that's not the way to push it, I think.
Vibrato meh
More sonic possibilities at your fingertips, hell yes.
They haven't figured out what most people really want,
So they are pushing the pitch thing in marketing.
The other stuff mpe offers is much cooler.
Idiots
There is to much academic thinking in this, they forget to highlight the cool shit and they highlight the boring stuff instead. &_&
I don't give a f... about fingervibrato because I don't want to play the violin or the guitar.
Roli has a MPE compatibility list now: https://support.roli.com/article/mpe-compatible-synthesisers/
Which apps support MPE proper?
Noise for sure, GarageBand.
One important question is whether they have the sounds programmed for the five dimensions .this is certainly the case with Noise
Also you could use a workaround for tools which don't support it via using an AUv3 instance per midi channel. So you even can use polyphonic FX
Of course RAM and CPU could be the bottleneck.
I think LayR would work well with this no?
SynthMaster player does support MPE. It’s a switch in MIDI settings (and, depending on the patch, it should open up the same possibilities as in the desktop version).
Not sure when it was added (might be before this thread first appeared, though that app hasn’t been updated in a while.