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Creator's content property in Figure (and the like)

edited July 2016 in General App Discussion

I recently stumbled upon a comment to a post in a blog where the intellectual property definition of what is created in Figure was defined as "ambiguous". As the A. referred to this Forum for further detail, it looks appropriate to me to raise such a question. AFAIK only MusicMakerJam reserves such property in unmistakable terms. Am I wrong? Anyone willing to clarify this not so irrelevant matter?

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  • edited July 2016

    Check out my comment history to see some of the issues. As far as I know, as long as you don't use Allihoopa, you own everything you produce in Figure and paste out, but as soon as you upload it to Allihoopa, it virtually for all intents and purposes enters the Public Domain.

  • vague copyright state is why i never bought 'TANSU synth'

  • ...which is ridiculous anyhow because why would i dream of ever making money from this.

  • @AQ808 said:
    Check out my comment history to see some of the issues. As far as I know, as long as you don't use Allihoopa, you own everything you produce in Figure and paste out, but as soon as you upload it to Allihoopa, it virtually for all intents and purposes enters the Public Domain.

    Thank you, this is useful.

  • @rhcball said:
    ...which is ridiculous anyhow because why would i dream of ever making money from this.

    Lol, never say never. What I cannot accept is that one pay for it

  • That's quite an odd stance for a synthesizer. I mean wtf? Do guitar makers claim ownership of music created with said instruments. I'd hate for millions of music makers to get sued by Native Instruments.

  • @db909 said:
    That's quite an odd stance for a synthesizer. I mean wtf? Do guitar makers claim ownership of music created with said instruments. I'd hate for millions of music makers to get sued by Native Instruments.

    Yep, indeed. Even the loops in GB or Logic are royalty free.

  • While this is just a hobby for me, weird rights claims always steer me away. I totally get alihoopa though since it is encouraging remixing and reworking posted content. What I don't get are claims on commercial gear containing samples such as the ielectribe (the one with the Gorillas samples).

  • edited July 2016

    @AQ808 pls, do you happen to know if what you say about Allihoopa holds for Gadget and the Korg site?

  • @zarv said:
    @AQ808 pls, do you happen to know if what you say about Allihoopa holds for Gadget and the Korg site?

    I never used it, but I'll look into it.

  • edited July 2016

    As far as I can tell, Gadget just uses your own SoundCloud account, and uses the soundcloud api to create a Gadget-skinned experience for you. So, you'd be under whatever soundcloud's license is. I'll look further.

  • edited July 2016

    https://soundcloud.com/terms-of-use

    My read is that they give everyone performance rights while the track is hosted on their site. They however, do not do what Allihoopa does and allow anyone to take your work and use it as their own copyrighted work and resell it with no strings attached. Once you remove a track from soundcloud, as long as that wasn't linked to any other "Service", the license you grant for performance expires.

    "Your Content
    Any and all audio, text, photos, pictures, graphics, comments, and other content, data or information that you upload, store, transmit, submit, exchange or make available to or via the Platform (hereinafter "Your Content") is generated, owned and controlled solely by you, and not by SoundCloud."

    Allihoopa's Terms of Service virtually state the exact opposite.

  • edited July 2016

    @AQ808 said:
    https://soundcloud.com/terms-of-use

    My read is that they give everyone performance rights while the track is hosted on their site. They however, do not do what Allihoopa does and allow anyone to take your work and use it as their own copyrighted work and resell it with no strings attached. Once you remove a track from soundcloud, as long as that wasn't linked to any other "Service", the license you grant for performance expires.

    "Your Content
    Any and all audio, text, photos, pictures, graphics, comments, and other content, data or information that you upload, store, transmit, submit, exchange or make available to or via the Platform (hereinafter "Your Content") is generated, owned and controlled solely by you, and not by SoundCloud."

    Allihoopa's Terms of Service virtually state the exact opposite.

    Thank you. How interesting! So, If I well understand, I could put any Gadget piece of mine on e.g. Bandcamp or iTunes ONLY if I upload it to the Korg site and keep it in the SoundCloud's Gadget Folder?
    This is way more relevant than that for Figure, for I know that many use Gadget as a professional production tool, while Figure is more hobby like used by.

  • edited July 2016

    @zarv said:
    Thank you. How interesting! So, If I well understand, I could put any Gadget piece of mine on e.g. Bandcamp or iTunes ONLY if I upload it to the Korg site and keep it in the SoundCloud's Gadget Folder?

    I don't know where you got that idea. There is no Korg site to upload stuff to.

    What that means is that if you upload your gadget work to "gadgetcloud" which appears to just be your soundcloud account, then those are the terms of service for using soundcloud.

    Korg doesn't place any restrictions on what you do with your own copyrighted work at all.

    And you have various options for exporting as well. You in no way have to upload it to gadgetcloud at all. You could put it on Bandcamp or iTunes without ever using gadgetcloud at all.

  • @AQ808 said:

    @zarv said:
    Thank you. How interesting! So, If I well understand, I could put any Gadget piece of mine on e.g. Bandcamp or iTunes ONLY if I upload it to the Korg site and keep it in the SoundCloud's Gadget Folder?

    I don't know where you got that idea. There is no Korg site to upload stuff to.

    What that means is that if you upload your gadget work to "gadgetcloud" which appears to just be your soundcloud account, then those are the terms of service for using soundcloud.

    Korg doesn't place any restrictions on what you do with your own copyrighted work at all.

    And you have various options for exporting as well. You in no way have to upload it to gadgetcloud at all. You could put it on Bandcamp or iTunes without ever using gadgetcloud at all.

    Thanks for the clarification. There is a vast community of Gadget users managed by Korg, and regularly some ranking is attributed to songs. Hence my misunderstanding

  • edited July 2016

    I don't know that Korg is actually managing that. I think they've used soundcloud's api to automate what appears to be a managed community, but is likely user curated without the user knowing it.

    I could be wrong, but that is my impression.

  • When I see
    "Commercial use of the works created by using this application is subject to the copyright clearance from right holders."

    I read
    "We steal content and include it in our app without permission."

    I value my rights, and take care to read terms. I tend to avoid using apps from certain devs. Some terms are just too ridiculous for me.

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