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MIDI Sequencer with some audio capabilities
Really, this is Y.A.T. asking 'Auria or Cubasis?' and for that I apologize.
Basics: I want a piano roll style midi sequencer with strong editing, per track port+channel settings and the ability to record audio on the timeline.
MTS is out because it doesn't support port-per-channel. BM2 is the same. That basically leaves the two giants. I know they both have great features that set them apart from one an another. Namely, for me anyway, Auria has the audio/mixing/plugin power while Cubasis has AU support and some amount of bump in the 'fluidity of workflow' arena.
Those, and other non-midi sequencing differentiators aside, I'm curious to hear from people who have used both to sequence hardware and apps simultaneously. Wondering specifically about flexibility and power of the piano roll UI (including CC automation) as well as stuff like easy recall via program changes, etc. Sysex recording and playback in either would be a big boon. Other differentiators in the MIDI sequencing deptartment?
I own Auria 2 and Cubasis is currently on sale for $25. That makes the difference $15. Not a huge deal. For what it's worth, I'm not necessarily looking to do 'complete productions' on my iPad.
Again, sorry; I'm sure this has all been discussed already but searching wasn't really helping me decide and I'd rather not spend $65 to figure it out!
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I guess N-Track is still a contender but I had a pretty unpleasant experience with it some years ago on the iPhone.
I found N Track very buggy.
Not a fan of Cubasis' Piano Roll or arrangement window. The panning gestures drive me nuts. Really unintuitive.
Some folks love it though.
I like Cubasis. Has a lot going for it. Just don't use it much. Keep meaning to, but then do, and then don't sometime soon thereafter. Again. And mostly, mainly, because of what Sergeant Spooky says. It's just not get-overable (for me, the zoom etc) until they get over it.
I don't use Auria that much. But I generally like it when I do. The midi piano roll is getting better and better I think. The automation is all there, if a little glitchy sometimes when drawing in points etc.
But the plugins open up lots of creative possibilities. I mean just Turnado alone...wowsers.
I own Cubasis but deleted it off my iPad ages ago. I could just never gell with it. To be honest I can't exactly remember why.
(Are you sure you don't want to use something like ModStep into multiple AUM tracks and then plonk the recorded audio into a DAW for mixing?).
Thanks all. The repeated mentions of Cubasis' piano roll fluidity problems is basically what's held me off all this time.
Yeah. I've been sorting doing this with Modstep and Loopy. My two most common use cases for audio tracks when doing MIDI sequencing sort of stuff are 1) Record a thing, loop a thing in time with the MIDI stuffs and 2) record voice or guitar or ______ in long form over it, usually experimenting and comping takes. Both are very much in the context of writing the tune and subject to change/mutation so, to whatever extent possible, I'd prefer to avoid separate apps.
Cubasis' having the simple sampler and AU support is almost swaying me but fidgety piano rolls drive me crazy. Auria's track controls for quantize strength, transpose etc are almost swaying me that way. I'll probably not buy anything again and go on blaming my lack of output on my lack of tools. It's kinda handy.
I always keep going back to Cubasis despite having all the sequencers out there for testing. I guess it's because I grew up with traditional midi sequencers like Adlib Composer, Cubase and Cakewalk Pro it just feels most natural to me.
Never really used Cubase but get you 100%—I grew up with similar sequencers. It's just what I hear about the piano roll that puts me off. Otherwise, the app 'clicks' for me, at least from afar. Though I just read it doesn't have any sort of bussing.
Duh, wait. Can't I try LE for free? Maybe it wont bother me.
Ha! Didn't think of that either.
Would be interested to hear your opinion.
I gave Cubasis another open. I'm still not that keen on the piano roll, although I did discover some new features that improve the functionality, but it's the arrangement area where the panning gets ridiculous. If you don't need that area you might be good.
Finally got around to trying LE. Without a 'compatible device' it's totally crippled. Can't mute or solo, add effects, tweak effects, edit MIDI, create a new project. Basically you can play and stop, adjust clip volume (but not mixer channel volumes) and audition instruments (but not load them, just previews). Sigh. Back to the drawing board.
According to an official post on the Cubasis forum The odd zooming behavior is scheduled to be addressed in the upcoming 2.0 update
It's their Rubicon.
I am using Cubasis and very satisfied with it ( I only used before Garage Band in a Mac and also Ipad version). What is the problem with the piano roll?
Didnt get it...