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I don't understand. AC Sabre doesn't play anything for you. You change the pitch based on movement, you still have to hit the notes yourself and have rhythm. It's no different than any other iOS midi controller that you can lock to a scale, the only difference being the motion controls. I mean if we were talking about chordbot, I would say you have a point, but I don't understand how AC sabre is cheating at all. If anything you have to be more precise. All too easy to wildly swing the pitch up and down. And by the way I don't even like it that much, bit wonky feeling for me. But to say it's cheating is absolutely ridiculous
So it's as hard as playing the same scale, at the same speed on a guitar?
I’ve only seen one vid, if you have to play all those widdly notes yourself then I take it all back.
Unless there's some feature I don't know about, you are responsible for sounding every note
It’s very strange to me that people are concerned with whether or not a MIDI app someone else uses means they’re cheating. Every aspect of music creation seems dependent upon the work of others. It seems to me every individual’s decision about which instruments/tools they want to use is their own as well as the degree to which they find merit in the decisions others have made in this regard. Coming up with any sort of objective criteria for how to go about this very subjective process is elusive.
Correct, it's actually HARDER than it looks.
If that’s the case then I’m obviously wrong. It all looked a bit automated in the vid. If that’s true though, why not just play the app?
Depends on the degree of ‘help’ you’re being given, and how many steps removed you are from the creative process. Chucking large musical samples or loops into your work means you’re simply rearranging someone else’s talent, whereas chopping drum hit samples and creating your own patterns is more creative and personal.
Just watched one vid where the guy is playin modal jazz piano, seemingly without doing very much at all.
I’m not saying this is a bad app, or even that I wouldn’t buy/use it myself, but the promise of instant virtuosity in their own descriptions of the app, suggests a shortcut in achieving a higher level of musical prowess that you’d otherwise be capable of. At least without years of practice. Not saying that’s a terrible thing, unless your audience think they’re listing to the next Steve Hillage, and instead it’s some bloke prancing around his living room with a phone.
That's just marketing hype bullshit. they added more scales and you can have the interface setup where you have one button chord stabs or whatever (I believe this was always the case) You still gotta play the damn thing. It will make you as much of a virtuoso as Soundprism
Personally, I absolutely want to cheat as much as possible. Why do you think I’m always banging on about randomization?
I will undoubtedly show my talent and creativity in areas other than traditional ‘musicianship’...
+1
yeah man the vid looks like a peter sellers movie
I agree it’s important to give credit where credit is due. Passing off someone else’s work as your own is never a good thing. Advertising does frequently revolve around instant gratification in its many forms. I think most people can distinguish between these sorts of appeals versus the process needed to truly master something.
My two cents ...
I got bored after a few minutes of using the app to trigger notes. Sure you can get some lightning fast scale runs, and with some skill switch between intervals while you're doing it to make it interesting. But ultimately, I would like to be more melodic than this easily lends itself to, and will never get more thrill than those times where I manage to get something that doesn't suck too bad out of my guitar.
However -
I got thrilled to no end at using it as an expressive controller - think 3D KAOSS pad here. It just feels so natural to twist and turn the phone in your hand to control vibrato, filter cutoff, pitch bend, whatever with one hand instead of three. To me it's analogous to a mouse vs. cursor keys. I'm going to use this a lot as an expression controller.
As for whether it's cheating or not - don't care. I don't see it as any more cheating than an arpeggiator or scale-lock on a keyboard. Both of those require skill to compose non-boring stuff with. Just different skills than guitar or keyboard chops.
Same here, this is how I use Sabre (when I use it, which is not often).
I think this is a very fair assessment. I personally dig this app a lot. I've had it for about a year now I think. The dev's free AC Central app is actually very good for making bluetooth connections too.
I don't play guitar, but with this I can sort of fake it somewhat. I think if one took the time to master this app (like any other controller/instrument) they could make some very fine music with it. I personally use it mostly with pads and evolving stuff.
Don't get the "cheating" assessment at all. If some here are ok with other's basically feeding text lyrics into a AI program that kind of fakes "singing", etc. Or plugging away at pre-made Launchpad packs, how is this even in that same league? With AC Sabre, you at least have to practice and learn how to play it (again, like any other instrument).
It's like this... I've spent a fair amount of time in my life learning the craft of photography. I know all the controls on pretty much every format camera, going back as far as 5x7 view cameras. Yet, if I make an image where I use my years of photo skill knowledge, to make an image... And then someone else who uses a sophisticated modern camera with highly intelligent algorithms that accurately select the very same settings that my learned skills dictate.. makes the same image... is my image made from learned skills/craft any more valid that the user who used sophisticated gear? The "art" was in the vision. Not in the learned craft. The vision, not the analogue skill.
And, like Wim with his guitar... although I dig being able to manually command a vintage camera, I don't really care if anyone thinks the photographer with modern gear is "cheating".
I scooped up AC Sabre last year when it was on sale, and have used it plenty. Would buy it again in a heartbeat.
To everyone concerned about my ‘cheating’ comment, it’s based on the demo video and the developers own description of their app, which suggest users can use it as a shortcut to ‘virtuosity’ playing without the need for years of practice. Which I jokingly said was cheating. If I was in a pub here with friends, told them I was a virtuoso musician and waved my phone around to trigger the notes that’s exactly what they’d say to me: “but that’s cheating Monzo”. Or played atonal jazz piano by imperceptibly moving my hand.
Since I don’t seem to share the same experience of the use of language as those offended by my comment, which is based on 55 years of talking to other people, I suggest we leave it.
Christ on a bike *
I would not fuck with riding a bicycle; it would be the flying or teleporting thing for me! I would not care about the disapproval of a first century Darren Stevens or Major Nelson
For those here interested in this AC Sabre app... I got it last year about this time, also on sale, and have got a lot of use out of it. The developer seems to be attentive to maintaining it and updating quickly when necessary. It's spectacular for big, evolving pad sounds and with practice... it can be played with a high level of control. I haven't progressed in that direction because I mostly use it for the pad stuff.
Another thing I mentioned in my previous post.... the free AC Central app (also from this developer) that helps with bluetooth connections, is rock solid. It connects easily to the desktop.
I've used AC Sabre as a controller for Logic Pro X plenty and it can be spectacular. If any of this sounds appealing to you also, I think you'd be glad if you were able to pick this up.
@MonzoPro No offense here. Just a discussion like in a pub with friends.
Somewhat OT: using this oddly has finally triggered me to grok the potential of TC-Data. Until now I’ve just stared at it trying to understand how to get any practical use out of it. But you could basically implement the same motion controls, and a more custom set of touch controls into something that opens doors like this does as well. I’m looking forward to exploring that angle now as well.
I like TC-Data, but running it is a struggle on my Air 2 once I've hooked it up to a few apps, and it starts crackling likke mad. Be interested to hear how you get on with this one, as it's probably less CPU intensive as TCD and I'd be able to run a few more apps with it.
Heh. We'll see how my attention span holds out. Prolly get distr .... OH! Shiny!
Oh yeah
Developer makes it look way too easy.
I don't understand the hostility and bitchiness of people on here lately.
Snarky geez
I commend this indie developer for his great job and continued effort to improve his product.
That comment aimed at me?
Just to be clear Monzo, we good. I get what you were saying about the marketing, etc. for the record, etc
I had trouble connecting my iPhone to my iPad at first; but once I connected, it has been great to use. Especially with SynthMaster Player/ Big Tone Signature Sounds Vol 1; but many other presets! Many of the motion parameters in AC Sabre seem to be automatically mapped to parameters in SynthMaster Player. Some of the textures, arpeggiated sweeps, and filter manipulations are fantastic!
I have also noticed it performing particularly well with SynthMaster Player.