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Still no decent 303 emulations for iOS...

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  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    agreed, the Gadget stuff sounds real cool... though the high resonance bite is weaker and lacks some of the 'round' fundament of the original.
    (which is a great example how much can be achieved by a single oscillator)
    Caustic and Rebirth don't do the patterns justice imho

    cheers,

  • WillWill

    @u0421793 said:
    On the 303 sequencer the glide is different in two aspects:

    it doesn’t start when the second note is hit, instead it actually finishes when that second note is hit. It can do this because it is a sequencer, not a live keyboard, hence no extra sensory perception or premonition is required by the synth to guess if you’re going to glide from one note to another, it already knows it is going to happen, it is written, in the sequence data.

    The other aspect is quite strange, in that it is a constant time, not constant gradient. The time to glide is the same no matter whether it is a note and the neighbouring note, or a note and a quite widely separated note – it takes the same duration in time, therefore the slope will have to become the variable.

    I haven't actually tried but I would imagine both of these are achievable (or emulatable is probably a better non-word) in gadget via glide automation.

  • robosardinerobosardine

    I can't get Chicago to sound anything like a 303. There are not many of it's preset sounds that I think 'wow! I must remember this to come back to'.

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg
    edited August 2016

    Is the Tabletop TT 303, what's tasty for me is the easy automation of Cutoff and Env Mod...experts can share if the Slide quality is authentic, or just fun...

  • wimwim

    You mean TT-303, not x0x, right?

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg

    @wim said:
    You mean TT-303, not x0x, right?

    Yep I gotta change that, thsnks

  • wimwim

    Anyway, sounds like what I think a real 303 would sound like ... not ever actually having experienced one in person. ;)

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg
    edited August 2016

    @wim said:
    Anyway, sounds like what I think a real 303 would sound like ... not ever actually having experienced one in person. ;)

    That's the thing, I've not heard any but those in mastered mixes. Saw one at the local vintage shop, was surprised how little the box actually was...

  • cronycrony

    @mireko_2 said:
    Here's a track i made with abl3 by audiorealism. Would be amazing if they ported it to iOS
    https://m.soundcloud.com/mireko/acidlick

    +100000

  • CrabmanCrabman

    on ios still(!) nothing comes closer than rebirth...IF you want to connect it with other stuff (audiobus/iaa).Technobox might be better (i won audiorealisms Abl2 in an acid contest and it's amazing but since i don't use computers anymore...)but it's save to say that it's abandonned.Forget the rest...

  • anicktanickt

    @Crabman said:
    on ios still(!) nothing comes closer than rebirth...IF you want to connect it with other stuff (audiobus/iaa).Technobox might be better (i won audiorealisms Abl2 in an acid contest and it's amazing but since i don't use computers anymore...)but it's save to say that it's abandonned.Forget the rest...

    That says it all IMHO

  • sleeplesssleepless

    Just trying Rebirth on my iPhone again......genuine question: is the iPad version simply the same thing, only with IAA, etc? Because, to me, it really isn't that authentic a 303 emulation. It sounds like 90s software (as indeed it is), yet I would've hoped it'd been updated since then. It lacks the bite & distinct resonant body of the real thing, instead sounding quite flat and lifeless.

  • TelefunkyTelefunky

    @Crabman said:
    on ios still(!) nothing comes closer than rebirth...IF you want to connect it with other stuff (audiobus/iaa)... ... Forget the rest...

    Chisel316's examples from Gadget hit it much better than Rebirth imh ears...
    (with the reference of the hardware Avalon clone still in memory)

    cheers, Tom

  • CrabmanCrabman
    edited August 2016

    @Telefunky said:

    @Crabman said:
    on ios still(!) nothing comes closer than rebirth...IF you want to connect it with other stuff (audiobus/iaa)... ... Forget the rest...

    Chisel316's examples from Gadget hit it much better than Rebirth imh ears...
    (with the reference of the hardware Avalon clone still in memory)

    cheers, Tom

    of course you can get good 303 type sound with a lot of synths but then you start tweaking knobs and hear the difference quickly.As someone else said,it's not only the sound but the sequencer as well.For example,the accent does not only make a note louder but it also changes the decay a bit.You could"emulate"those tiny things with a sequencer but that's a lot of work and not really fun to me.

    @sleepless i would assume it uses the same sound engine,yes,but while the sound is not an endless sweetspot,it pretty much behaves (magic word again:sequencer)like the real thing.I made hundreds of pattern with it and for a lot of them it would be hard to say if it's the real deal or not (in the mix i mean and with a little eq here and there).I had a real 303 in the past as well as an Acidlab Bassline 2.

    the audiorealism stuff is indeed better than rebirth but,unfortunately,not available on ios.

    I'm on the road now but maybe i'll upload some examples when i'm back.

  • LeeBLeeB

    Rebirth for me too, had it since it came out on PC. Most of the old Acid tracks would have been running the 303 through outboard fx, distortion etc.
    But the clean sound that comes out of Rebirth sounds good enough to my ears.

  • sleeplesssleepless

    In the end, I figured "sod it" and bought a Cyclone Bass Bot TT303....not regretting the purchase at all. Much more authentic than my old x0xb0x and - in the software realm - my beloved ABL2.

    The downside is that it's given me the hardware bug again...

  • RichtownsRichtowns

    @sleepless said:
    In the end, I figured "sod it" and bought a Cyclone Bass Bot TT303....not regretting the purchase at all. Much more authentic than my old x0xb0x and - in the software realm - my beloved ABL2.

    The downside is that it's given me the hardware bug again...

    I like that Cyclone. Im now thinking this will be my next purchase. Will be a couple of months saving or I might have to sell something. I never sell, but it makes me feel better saying so.

  • Looping_LoddarLooping_Loddar

    Troublemaker is a very decent emulation.

    See/hear Jacob Haq presenting and trying out Troublemaker from Bram Bos:

  • robosardinerobosardine

    Yes but 'very' decent was the quote- which I imagine is a considerable bit (but not a huge amount) better than just 'decent' so I think more than just decent was actually meant..... but still within the parameters of decency- Which hits the spot for me.
    I'm not sure what adjective would come next on the scale- but it's certainly not 'super' or 'brilliant'... it does seem to be the leader of the non hardware emulations though......
    ..... jut thinking.... would 'really good' come before or after 'very decent'?........ it is really good- so it could actually be better than decent and very decent if it does come after..... but then some would say it is only 'quite good'... :)

  • cronycrony

    A coder quoting René Magritte can't be wrong... B)

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @crony said:
    A coder quoting René Magritte can't be wrong... B)

    Rene and Georgette Magritte
    With their dog after the war
    Returned to their hotel suite
    And they unlocked the door
    Easily losing their evening clothes
    They danced by the light of the moon
    To the Penguins, the Moonglows
    The Orioles, and The Five Satins
    The deep forbidden music
    They'd been longing for....

    Sigh.

  • u0421793u0421793

    Ohh Rene, ooh Rene!

    Just heard, by the way, Gordon Kaye is no longer with us, since earlier today.
    https://g.co/kgs/F3PJxi

  • wimwim
    edited January 2017

    This thread title should marked [solved]. B)

  • WillWill

    @wim said:
    This thread title should marked [solved]. B)

    :+1:

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    This thread title should marked [solved]. B)

    :+1:

    :+1:

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    Oh for the simplicity of newspeak

    Good, plus good, double plus good.

  • cronycrony

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    This thread title should marked [solved]. B)

    :+1:

    :+1:

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    I keep referring to this as Bruisemaker :)

  • robosardinerobosardine

    @5pinlink said:

    @robosardine said:
    Yes but 'very' decent was the quote- which I imagine is a considerable bit (but not a huge amount) better than just 'decent' so I think more than just decent was actually meant..... but still within the parameters of decency- Which hits the spot for me.
    I'm not sure what adjective would come next on the scale- but it's certainly not 'super' or 'brilliant'... it does seem to be the leader of the non hardware emulations though......
    ..... jut thinking.... would 'really good' come before or after 'very decent'?........ it is really good- so it could actually be better than decent and very decent if it does come after..... but then some would say it is only 'quite good'... :)

    You completely lost me ?

    It was just meant to be a little bit of fun with semantics :)

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000

    @u0421793 said:
    One of the tricky aspects of 303 emulation has nothing to do with the synth at all, but rather, the sequencer. The slide is not exactly like a portamento, although they fulfil the same purpose.

    On a conventional synth keyboard with portamento, the time constant (the time it takes to complete the curve) is a fixed gradient of whatever you set it to, and will aim to complete the slope in its own good time contingent upon whether you’ve finished transitioning from one key to another.

    If you lift portamento up to a mid value, then press a low note and then the next note up, quite quickly, it’ll not quite reach it, but if you press a low note then the next note up and hold the note to give it enough time, it’ll reach it.

    If you press a low note and a high note, the same applies, but it’ll require longer to complete the curve.

    The curve angle is about the same no matter where it is applied. Hence, a wider note interval needs more time. Also, the portamento starts from the hit of the first note and continues until it decides it is finished sometime during the second note. (This varies depending on legato mode of some synths – some will require a second note onset during the first, or it won’t do portamento to the subsequent).

    On the 303 sequencer the glide is different in two aspects:

    it doesn’t start when the second note is hit, instead it actually finishes when that second note is hit. It can do this because it is a sequencer, not a live keyboard, hence no extra sensory perception or premonition is required by the synth to guess if you’re going to glide from one note to another, it already knows it is going to happen, it is written, in the sequence data.

    The other aspect is quite strange, in that it is a constant time, not constant gradient. The time to glide is the same no matter whether it is a note and the neighbouring note, or a note and a quite widely separated note – it takes the same duration in time, therefore the slope will have to become the variable.

    Thank you. That's really interesting. I wonder if @brambos could enlighten us on how it works in TroubleMaker?

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