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JamUp Pro XT + BIAS Amp + GarageBand on iPad
I have been trying for days to get the following 3 apps to work together in Audiobus on my iPad without success;
- JamUp Pro XT
- BIAS Amp
- GarageBand
I'm using an Apogee Jam 96k interface. I have got it to work a few times then I reload the Audiobus preset next time and I am greeted by total silence. It is really starting to do my head in.
A quick solution would be to let me know in what order to place JamUp and BIAS into which slots (INPUT and/or EFFECTS) on Audiobus.
Obviously Garageband goes into OUTPUT in Audiobus
JamUp and BIAS are supposed to work together seamlessly. However I find even without Audiobus involved, I am finding this integration less than seamless and highly variable. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I can have a metal amp in BIAS, I hear a metal tone. Then I import it to JamUp. I can see the same metal amp I was playing in BIAS, but it now sounds clean. I go back to BIAS and the same amp is visible, and it sounds metal again. All very confusing.
Do you load BIAS into INPUT in Audiobus, then open BIAS and link to JamUp from within BIAS?
Maybe you put JamUp into INPUT and BIAS into EFFECTS in Audiobus?
Maybe you do one of the other permutations of placing apps into various Audiobus slots?
Totally confused and Positive Grid does not have a user forum.
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I've never used BIAS Amp and JamUp Pro in AB at the same time - possibly that's the hang up in your signal chain? I use BIAS Amp to "hotrod" an amp, then transfer it over to JamUp Pro (or vice versa if I'm sending a JamUp Pro amp over to BIAS for mods) using the little wiggling icon of the other app that appears when both are open. I think that's what they refer to as their seamless integration ...
Then I just use JamUp Pro to record into DAW via Audiobus.
I have had problems using BIAS FX via Audiobus (snap, crackle and pop), but that's a whole 'nother bowl of cereal. Hope this helps!
The way jam up and bias amp are integrate is that you export the amp from bias amp to jam up, you arent supposed to use them at the same time like you are trying to.
Sounds like your sample size(latency control) is wrong if it does that.
It's certainly possible. I did futz with as many latency controls, buttons, knobs and turny things as I could find across all the apps involved, and still got pops and crackles. A fairly common issue I was aware of based on the reviews for Bias FX on the App Store. I bought it on sale mainly as insurance in case PG ever drops support for JamUp Pro, and for use on a more powerful, future iPad (currently on an Air 1).
That's 100% correct - the amp simulation is a heavy CPU load which adds even if run in background mode while you switch to the respective other app.
You tweak the 'inner settings' of the amp in BIAS, pass it to JamUp to check if screen controls operate to your satisfaction. You may switch a couple of times until everything is set, but after that point you ONLY use the amp model in JamUp (which is about 25% less CPU than BIAS anyway)
cheers, Tom
Thanks everyone. So before I open Audiobus I create my amp in BIAS then export it to JamUp. Then I close both BIAS & JamUp.
I then open Audiobus and place JamUp into INPUT and GarageBand into OUTPUT. I then select the amp I just created in BIAS, which now resides in the JamUo amp selection.
That's it, great.
I thought BIAS had to remain open in order to use an amp it built in JamUp. Seems like I was wrong and the whole amp sim created in BIAS is actually copied to the JamUp app files. BIAS can and should be shut down once the sim is built. I guess if you only own BIAS you would put it into INPUT in Audiobus, leaving BIAS running the whole time.
yes, that would be practically the same, but with slightly increased load and latency.
Btw there isn't much exchanged, it's just an xml parameter file that contains the description of the amp.
Some distortion pedals and the Fender 63 Spring reverb in JamUp are great, the rest of the effects isn't that hot, lot's of stuff is repeated in a different layout...
If you put the AD480 reverb into the fx-slot of AB that gives a very convincing 'real room' appeal to the model. Set the reverb to small room (leftmost fader down), decay long (2nd fader up), the other settings according to taste.
Thanks again. So you buy AD480 (an iOS only effect) (Pro or Basic) and place it in EFFECTS in Audiobus as it is a better reverb than those built into JamUp . A further advantage to this approach seems to be having a separate reverb app allows it to be placed in the EFFECTS slot in Audiobus.
As an aside, it seems that the only amp in JamUp that you can edit in BIAS is the Plexi 50. None of the other 6 amps that come with JamUp Pro seem to cause the link to BIAS to appear in the JamUp GUI. If this is the case, I wonder if you can duplicate the Plexi 50 in JamUp before editing in BIAS so you can keep the original Plexi 50 in JamUp.
I think you don't need Audiobus for such kind of connection. Instead of this you can connect JamUp to GarageBand through IAA
Thanks. It seems AB still has some benefits over IAA.
http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/audiobus-vs-inter-app-audio-which-is-best-620144
I have also read a few posts around the Web complaining about IAA performance.
I've owned AB for quite a while already, Im just now getting around to working it out. I usually just plug into my amps and play but figured it was time to get the software approach sorted out.
I wonder if IAA would be better than AB once IAA is compatible with BIAS & JamUp as I would guess IAA would be even more tightly integrated with GB than AB.
Im not sure is jamup had the ability to turn off different components of the amp(i only tested it rather quickly, no time to check now and been using bias fx instead), but if so, i suggest getting fiddlicator, loading some decent impulse response cab simulation on it(you can find loads from google for free) and turning the speaker simulation off from jam up.
Just tried JamUp and BIAS in GB using IAA. Total fail. I selected IAA and then JamUp. After a lot of wheel spinning, JamUp appeared but was totally unresponsive, the GUI was frozen and a nasty buzz was apparent. I tried again but selected BIAS from the list supplied by IAA,. BIAS wouldn't launch at all, just got a message saying it was unavailable. Back to AB, which seems to work well.