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Does anyone know how to get hi-hat chokes on DPP?
The traditional method of drawing/playing an open hi-hat quickly followed by a pedal hi-hat has no effect. Strange. Every drum machine or app I know works this way. It would be a huge disappointment to realize this late that DDP lacks so basic a feature. I betting on operator error here. Any help would be much appreciated.
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DPP is different than other drum machines that simply let you group pads so that they never both sound at the same time. It's more flexible, but took me a long time to understand.
You designate pad as Open and one as Closed. Once you do that, then the Open pad no longer makes sound when you send a note to it. Instead, it determines the amount of the open pad sample to mix in with the closed pad sample when the closed pad receives a note.
So, if you want the closed pad to sound fully closed, you send a 0 velocity note to the open pad. The closed pad will continue that way until you send a note with a different velocity to the open pad. So, if you then send a note with 50% velocity to the open pad, the closed pad will then begin sounding as if it's half open.
What I've taken to doing is double-sequencing all the hats. I first lay out the closed hats, then for each one I lay in the amount of openness I want via the open pad. You really only need to trigger the open pad when you want to change the open amount, but I find it easier to keep track of that way. Lastly I usually need to go back and adjust velocity on the closed pads. Lotta work.
It's confusing as hell if you're used to choke groups, but once understood can lead to more realistic results. I can't say I'm crazy about the way it works myself. I wish there was a good ol' choke group option available as well.
Have you tried this ?
Of course you can place the red mute stroke and pedal hi hat as close/far to the Open hi hat as you wish. Just use a different subd. or/and move them with time shift. The most subtle nuances of timing can be achieved. For sound nuances use the method described above ( kit page ).
What you've pictured above works fine, but isn't doable from an external sequencer, such as Patterning is it?
It also makes it necessary to manually program not only the open hat and closed hat, but also the choking stroke in a realistic way. Choke groups are useful and simple because it's physically just not realistic for an the open hat to keep playing when you just played it closed.
Once you get the pedal velocity thing, it's not bad, and can really add to the realism.
I just noticed that the pedal level can be controlled by MIDI CC as well. That's very useful.
Then is it not possible to control from Patterning using cc. perhaps cc1 ( modulation ) and setting it in DPP?
I'm controlling it from Auria Pro. Is it possible to do that from Auria's piano roll, or I really have to program it on DPP, @wim and @gilbert? If it's hard but doable, it's good for me, as long as I can program on Auria (my ideas keep flowing better working on a linear, old school piano roll than on any kind of step sequencer).
All the best,
Dimitri.
P.S.: a more straightforward method being included in a future update will be more than welcome!
Sure, it's possible to control open/closed hats from Patterning - just not via the "choking stroke" method you described as far as I can tell.
If you hold down the MIDI source in DPP you get to the MIDI settings editor. There you can assign the CC you want to use for HiHat Pedal. This should work for Auria Pro, ModStep, or any other sequencer or controller that can send CC's.
The other way is to use the open and closed hi hats as I described above.
I'm actually kinda digging this now that I finally understand it, though I still think a regular choke group functionality would be good to have as well.
You can totally do it from Auria Pro. The default for the pedal level is CC 35, I think.
You just need to set the closed HiHat setting to Closed, and the open HiHat setting to Open as described by @Reid to get it going. Keep in mind that this will affect existing projects using the kit if you change it and then save the kit. Best to Save-as a new name.
[EDIT: Humm. I just discovered that the "Garage Kit - HH" kit is set up that way. Always wondered about that kit! All I ever knew is the hats sounded like crap, but it was because it's designed to be used with pedal control.]
Aparently, the Jazz Funk Kit also has the pedal hat choking the open hat, so this is the one I'll be using.