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I've always assumed that this issue stems from a strict adherence by Auria's developer to Apple's early attitude to file sharing, etc. iTunes was Apple's officially approved method of getting stuff in and out of apps, with Dropbox as the only cloud alternative. Much has changed in the 4 years since Auria's launch and Apple's attitude has relaxed somewhat in that time.
"Open In..." support for several file types has been added to Auria (it includes .m4a but not .mov). Auria Pro now offers "Open In..." for zip files, meaning that file types that aren't yet "Open In..."able (e.g. .mov) can be got into Auria by zipping them first. However, getting stuff out of Auria to other apps still needs attention. In fact, Auria's file management needs an overhaul in general. I'm confident it'll come but, as has been mentioned earlier, Rim is the only programmer at WaveMachine Labs and he seems to have decided that other things need his attention more than accommodating all workflows.
Having said that, getting stuff in and out of Auria sometimes frustrates the heck out of me too, @skiphunt
Hopefully you'll be able to post on the Auria Forum soon and get your wish list in front of the developer.
@BiancaNeve thanks, will check it out. that's what I was looking for with the thread, either workarounds for Auria or an alternative to try.
@lovadamusic didn't mean to slam Rim and Auria. I let me frustration that his very good DAW with this one feature I want, get away from me. If he's just change the input/output to access the camera roll, it'd be just perfect.
Let me also add one little bit of aggravation to the current frustration... I recently got an additional inexpensive Tascam handheld field recorder. Didn't need one as I already have two others (Sony PCM-10M and older Zoom H2). Both of those actually suit my needs just fine, especially the Sony.
I got the Tascam DR-22WL because it's big standout feature is that it has wifi. It says you can not only control it remotely via wifi (very cool) but you can also monitor your recording remotely and transfer your recordings to your iphone, ipad, android via wifi. It also has some "EZ" level settings so that all I'd have to do is flip a dial to the kind of recording I want to do quickly on the fly, without having to monkey with manually setting levels, etc. Do a quick recording, then transfer it immediately via wifi to my ipad/iphone. Sounds cool right?
Get this, although it technically does all of that... First, you can't monitor your recording live. You can only check it out by playing after you've recorded. Too late if you were clipping the whole time. Second, after you've recorded your sample, you can indeed transfer to your iphone/ipad, but ONLY to the app, and then you can ONLY transfer it from there to ONLY Soundcloud. Nowhere else. From Soundcloud you could transfer it back I suppose. Third, after you've transferred a few recordings to the Tascam app there's NO WAY to actually delete your recordings. None. The only way is to completely delete the app and start over. How idiotic is that?
I thought maybe it was just an oversight that would be updated/fixed soon, but this is actually a 2yr old device and the app hasn't been updated in over a year and a half. Doesn't look like it will be at this point.
So, while technically the Tascam app can do more or less what it claims, the implementation of it is so moronic as to be nearly useless in practice. Very frustrating.
Trying to decide if I'm going to just send it back. Others have complained about the app on the reviews and on Tascam's site, but no reply from them. Strange. Seems like it'd be an easy fix to be able to delete files in an app and to copy files to the iPhone/iPad file system, but either the access Apple allows to the file system is so completely complicated... or Tascam's coders are incredibly incompetent.
I was dealing with this at the same time while also discovering that Auria's video import will only let you transfer video in/out via dropbox. My frustration level got a bit compounded at that point.
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Here's a link to that thread I mentioned- it is over at The Auria forum.
http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=14578
I saw that and checked it out. But, I believe for that to work you'd have to upgrade to Auria Pro. I don't think the plain Auria I have (not LE, but not Pro) supports external HD access. And, those who've bought one of these additional external devices AND are using PRO, say they've still got to mixdown/export the finished product out to dropbox.
FYI: I'm now messaging with Rim about all this directly. Looks like dropbox/itunes/computer are the ONLY ways to import/export video from Auria. He says access to the camera roll is on his list, but would take rewriting the completely new interface panel. Says he's spending all his time squashing bugs/crashes/critical features, etc. so it doesn't sound like Auria is going to be viable for me any time soon.
@BiancaNeve Thanks! Will look into Meteor instead, or resign myself to doing this sort of stuff only on the laptop/desktop with Logic. That works perfectly and is frankly a MUCH better environment than iOS is anyway. Can you vouch for Meteor? It looks like it hasn't had an update since 2014 and there are a few recent negative reviews on it's app store page.
@washboy That's pretty much what I expected. And thanks for the detailed explanation. I think he's wrong about not taking care of the most basic foundation functioning of pretty much any creative app, ie. getting stuff in and out of it. I'm not a programmer selling an app though. Just an end-user, so what do I know.
Talking with Rim directly was something I was going to suggest, especially after waiting years for a feature you need that apparently isn't discussed much in general.
I'm not on the inside as far as what Rim is working on, but it's been evident for months now---he's even pretty much said it---that he's devoting his time to getting Auria fully stable and functional before taking the app into new territory. If someone has no experience coding, they might have no appreciation for the complexity involved in creating an app that works flawlessly and efficiently under so many conditions and for users with many different workflows and desires. My understanding is that iOS doesn't make it easier.
I don't think there's any shame in iOS apps lacking the ability to meet every expectation or live up to what we have on OSX or Windows. A fully functional video scoring plug-in for $5 ? Written by one programmer who's also trying to put out a full-featured DAW on a mobile device? Let's be realistic here. Auria Pro is one iOS app that does try to swing for the fences and is hardly deserving of ridicule.
@BiancaNeve, thank you for the tips about Meteor. It's really nice when a rather obscure app has features the big guys lack. I'll take a look at Meteor myself. Does it have IAA/Audiobus/MIDI btw? All the best!
Yep pretty much in awe at what Rim has achieved.
Ridicule? Not quite. Just frustrated that it's almost there if only he updated the input/output of video. I told him I'd even be willing to pay more for that. As a DAW, I'm happy with it. It's still installed on my iPad and I haven't jumped ship to Cubasis yet, even when it went on sale.. so Auria is obviously an app I still have use and respect for.
Maybe at some point Apple will allow video reference in Garageband. Or do they already? Might have to investigate that. And if the dev who wrote Multitrack DAW and is currently working on MTD2, adds a video scoring reference, that might be the cat's meow as another possible alternative.
Rim seems to be aware of the issue and general desire for an updated input/output interface panel. Evidently there are others frustrated with the way it is now for strictly audio stuff too, so I wouldn't necessarily consider this "new territory" and the video import has been available for around 4yrs. Not exactly "new territory" either.
EDIT: As I stated before, plain Auria does everything I need the DAW part to do as it is. I don't need the extra stuff in PRO. Hell... if he updated "PRO" to handle this input/output elegantly in HD and accessing the camera roll for input/output of video, that alone just might be enough to get me to pony up the extra $40 for Pro.
Again, it's about priorities. There's obviously been a big list of things to do, and only so much time and resources to get it done. What gets done first is most likely indicative of things that are broken, what users have been clamoring for, and what isn't too large a task at this phase of development. Scoring for video is only as important as users make it---so far not a primary need. Most iOS apps are less than ideal when it comes to file management and transfer. So it's going to take more patience, and good fortune that a dev continues to put so much work into what could be free upgrades.
Import film into Pinnacle Studio Pro.
Export movie to Auria.
Create audio track.
Export audio to Audioshare
Export from Audioshare to PSP
Add audio track to the film in PSP
Export film to Goodreader.
Save film to camera roll.
Ok, you need 3 other apps. Pinnacle Studio Pro, Audioshare and Goodreader. Also, as far as I know, you end up with an MP4 file.
I have all of those apps but Goodreader. Why would I need Goodreader if PSP already allows you to export to camera roll?
Off to try! Thanks!!!
Ha ha, I missed the save to photos in PSP. You're right. I've just done this myself so it does work.
It had Audiobus, but it doesn't seem to work now presumably some apple update or ab update broke it.
It can record IAA generators but won't control IAA instruments as far as I can work out.
You can also use IAA effects.
MIDI editor is an IAP. ( as is the video feature)
It's not been updated in a long time so it may well have been abandoned. But I bought it before Auria and Cubasis existed.
HOLY SMOKES DUDE!!! That works!!!!! WAHOOO!!!!! Thank you!!! This does exactly what I want to do and an even BETTER solution because I can bounce back and forth between my preferred iPad video editing app (PSP) and my preferred DAW. Thanks again! You have no idea how long I've been trying to solve this problem. I think I tried it once before, but I when I hadn't seen Auria available to export to in PSP, I gave up. Hadn't realized that you have to FIRST export to "Other App" from PSP, and THEN it gives you Auria as an option.
Seriously, you just made my month! Thanks again.
Case closed!
Great, Fitz! Someone around here actually knows something about editing videos on iOS.
Indeed!!! The more I think about it, there's another reason that this is a much better solution than importing an HD video into Auria. Because with Fitz's method, you can export out a low-res version of your video/film from Pinnacle Studio Pro (on export you can select lower resolution if you wish). This means that Auria won't have to juggle a large video file while working on your audio mix. All you need is a low-res visual reference anyway, then bring back the mix down track to add back in via Pinnacle studio. And PSP also supports 4K video too. You can then continue editing picture or adding FX and keeping the audio editing work in the Auria environment. Ultimately, the best of both worlds on iOS.
This is so awesome. Thanks again @Fitz
I've never really done much video editing on the iPad, though not for want of trying. My most recent project was done in Adobe Premiere, but i did the soundtrack in Auria.
No problem. I did the same - low resolution video into Auria, takes no time at all!
Awesome - one of the great things about this place!
the mood of the video and soundtrack combined reminds me of Vampire Hunter D (awesome anime).
Very cool solution.
Exactly the sort of lateral thinking that's often required with iOS
Well done, @Fitz.
Actually, I do remember trying Pinnacle Studio Pro angle back when I originally asked these questions a few months ago. I can't swear by it, but I don't recall seeing the "Other Apps" option when exporting out of PSP back then. There has been an update to PSP (maybe 2) since then, so maybe that's new? I noticed their Luma FX (video FX) app ALSO has the "Other Apps" option upon video export that I don't recall seeing before either.
Can't swear it wasn't always there already and that I simply missed it, but I don't think it was. I think that's a new option.
In any case, I'm glad there's a solution and that @Fritz tipped me off to try it again. Doing exactly this, ie. being able to score video with a video reference, using FX, synths, samples, etc. was/is the main reason I bought my first iOS Music app. I got distracted by playing around with music-oriented stuff, but this one task has been my ultimate goal with any of this iOS sound app stuff. Now, I can actually do it.
I agree this is one of the challenges of pushing the envelope in iOS: it's growing more capable all the time, but often a small, unnoticed update to one app opens paths you often only stumble onto by accident!
@skiphunt Hey Skip, I do a lot of music videos, but I come from the other side. I create the videos for the music rather than scoring music to the video....which means it's easy to do on iOS (I mostly use iMovie); the other way is, sadly, not as easy but it's so cool that you've found a solution. Also, you're right in that some of those PSP features are new(er), so I don't think you simply missed them.
Are your videos going to be on YouTube and announced here? I'm curious as to what you're going to create...
Hey Toz, back from the flood zone yet?
What I was doing via iOS before... was just making a video, adding some FX, slo-mo, color, etc. Then when finished, if the video was 2mins long, I'd mess around in AUM with a few synth toys and make a soundscapey thing that I thought would kinda go with it. Sometimes it worked out well, but it was really hit and miss.
When I did some tests with this new set up, I some old GoPro clips from another trip in the Yucatan a couple years ago. I strung them together, made some slo-mo, a few color treatments, etc. Then took that video edit out of Pinnacle Studio Pro, and into Auria. Added a soundscapey music bed, then added interesting liquid/watery sounds from Mitosynth that I just bought, and was able to watch the video and play in the sounds as I was jumping into the water in the video. Added a few random samples onto additional tracks, then some test voiceover while watching the video playback.
Then I mixed it down from Auria to AudioShare and brought it back into PSP via AudioShare. Dropped it it and checked sync. All good. Worked rather well actually. Not as comfy as simply doing the same thing with Logic on a laptop with the iPad connected, etc. But, the point is... I can now do it remotely with iPad only. No need for wifi. No need for a computer. Getting creative out in the woods, in the desert, etc.
Like you, I'm almost certain the export to "Other Apps" option is new. I tried the PSP angle while I was in Mexico too. But, I didn't always have very good wifi connections in Mexico for the last couple of months, so there were a lot of apps that didn't get updated until I got home a few days ago. It must've been added to the last update or possibly one from a couple months ago that I didn't have installed yet.
If I get something that I think is cool, I'll certainly drop a link to a YouTube video to show it off if anyone is interested. Now that the tech and app and controller pieces have just now fallen into place, all have to do is the hard part... coming up with decent creative ideas.
Great thread. Im enjoying rediscovering this feature in Auria and PSP.
BTW Is there a way to resize the video in Auria. Double tap maximizes it but you seem to loose control of playback. You can drag the video by it's holding it's title bar. Resize, no idea! My eyes dont focus like they used to.