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  • @AlexB said:
    Hi

    I'm not using too much electronic music but still playing with a good amount of instruments layered. Would you see interesting to buy Lemur?

    Honestly? No.

    Lemur is a super-duper, programmable, customized MIDI control surface app. There are amazing things you can do with it, such as set up physics based bouncing controllers, logarithmic fader curves, combine selected controls from a bunch of different apps into one screen, etc. But all that power comes at the cost of complexity setting it up. It's kind of like command-line Linux vs. iOS. Unlimited, but needing some brains to exploit. I'm a geek, so I'll spend many happy hours messing with it ... and never use it for anything practical music-wise.

    If all you want to do is layer a bunch of instruments, there are plenty of easier ways to get there.

  • @wim said:

    @AlexB said:
    Hi

    I'm not using too much electronic music but still playing with a good amount of instruments layered. Would you see interesting to buy Lemur?

    Honestly? No.

    Lemur is a super-duper, programmable, customized MIDI control surface app. There are amazing things you can do with it, such as set up physics based bouncing controllers, logarithmic fader curves, combine selected controls from a bunch of different apps into one screen, etc. But all that power comes at the cost of complexity setting it up. It's kind of like command-line Linux vs. iOS. Unlimited, but needing some brains to exploit. I'm a geek, so I'll spend many happy hours messing with it ... and never use it for anything practical music-wise.

    If all you want to do is layer a bunch of instruments, there are plenty of easier ways to get there.

    Well, i am also kind of geek and I love to understand the puzzle behind an app. According to the looks it seems a cool app and the discount makes me think about it. It's also true I have many puzzles on the table on the app world that maybe I should stay away from a new one. On top the other day I got an electronic drum kit so I should maybe focus on that and currents for now but I wouldnt like to miss the discount if this is really a must have app.

  • Midi Designer 2 promises 'No Scripting' but I went for the prettier, more difficult option (Lemur).

  • @AlexB said:
    Well, i am also kind of geek and I love to understand the puzzle behind an app. According to the looks it seems a cool app and the discount makes me think about it. It's also true I have many puzzles on the table on the app world that maybe I should stay away from a new one. On top the other day I got an electronic drum kit so I should maybe focus on that and currents for now but I wouldnt like to miss the discount if this is really a must have app.

    Well then, if you're like me, then you might want to pick it up on sale if even only to pull out at a future date. It's very, very deep and pretty cool. (Still prefer TB Midi Stuff tho)

  • @wim said:

    @AlexB said:
    Well, i am also kind of geek and I love to understand the puzzle behind an app. According to the looks it seems a cool app and the discount makes me think about it. It's also true I have many puzzles on the table on the app world that maybe I should stay away from a new one. On top the other day I got an electronic drum kit so I should maybe focus on that and currents for now but I wouldnt like to miss the discount if this is really a must have app.

    Well then, if you're like me, then you might want to pick it up on sale if even only to pull out at a future date. It's very, very deep and pretty cool. (Still prefer TB Midi Stuff tho)

    Does Lemur have a easy midi learn function where you can grab the faders/knobs you want from any midi app with midi learn function and record it in Lemur? On the other hand I would like to use it to fix my presets in terms of banks of each app with some buttons, is that kind of possible I assume?

    Thanks!

  • edited August 2016

    lemur is nice but i use it to rarely
    there are some prebuilt sequencer patches in it,
    but its 16 steps only last time I looked

    there is no midi learn (not that i know of)
    you need to set up channels and CC yourself ...

    I Still havent found a musical purpose for the bouncing ball thingy (physics based bouncing controllers) :D

  • @AlexB said:
    I Still havent found a musical purpose for the bouncing ball thingy (physics based bouncing controllers) :D

    It's basically just like an LFO but with more possibilities for variation. That one I'm kind of looking forward to trying out.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2016

    @AlexB said:
    Does Lemur have a easy midi learn function where you can grab the faders/knobs you want from any midi app with midi learn function and record it in Lemur? On the other hand I would like to use it to fix my presets in terms of banks of each app with some buttons, is that kind of possible I assume?

    Thanks!

    That question has me confused. Lemur is a controller. MIDI learn is usually used on the other side - the app you're controlling. I guess you could capture MIDI out from other apps and move the sliders and stuff in Lemur, but I don't know what you would do with that.

    You could create a control or fader in Lemur and assign a MIDI CC to it. Then you could go into an app that has MIDI Learn and link the Lemur control to parameters in that app. Then you could manipulate the parameters in the app from your control in Lemur. I can't think of why you would go the other way round.

    Unless you're thinking of the typical problem of wanting bi-directional feedback. Specifically where if you move the control in Lemur it updates the app, and if you move the control in the app the change is reflected in Lemur. That is kind of a holy grail that in some rare cases is practical to implement, but usually a headache, if it's possible at all.

  • @knewspeak said:

    if anyone wants to control Reaper on the desktop, look for a template called Binder it's similar to the Ableton Live template.

    Binder Ver 2 Pre release works really well. It's nice to have the ability to control Reaper from another room via WiFi.

  • edited August 2016

    @wim said:

    @AlexB said:
    I Still havent found a musical purpose for the bouncing ball thingy (physics based bouncing controllers) :D

    It's basically just like an LFO but with more possibilities for variation. That one I'm kind of looking forward to trying out.

    it looks fun, but I find it gimmicky, meh
    maybe its cool for surround panning?
    i have no idea

  • @wim said:

    @AlexB said:
    Does Lemur have a easy midi learn function where you can grab the faders/knobs you want from any midi app with midi learn function and record it in Lemur? On the other hand I would like to use it to fix my presets in terms of banks of each app with some buttons, is that kind of possible I assume?

    Thanks!

    That question has me confused. Lemur is a controller. MIDI learn is usually used on the other side - the app you're controlling. I guess you could capture MIDI out from other apps and move the sliders and stuff in Lemur, but I don't know what you would do with that.

    You could create a control or fader in Lemur and assign a MIDI CC to it. Then you could go into an app that has MIDI Learn and link the Lemur control to parameters in that app. Then you could manipulate the parameters in the app from your control in Lemur. I can't think of why you would go the other way round.

    Unless you're thinking of the typical problem of wanting bi-directional feedback. Specifically where if you move the control in Lemur it updates the app, and if you move the control in the app the change is reflected in Lemur. That is kind of a holy grail that in some rare cases is practical to implement, but usually a headache, if it's possible at all.

    Hi,

    My question comes because I use a couple of hardware controllers and typically I have already defined the CC messages to learn in the destination apps. Of course I could manually put into Lemur the same messages and that's it but My lazi dark side was hoping I could simply copy from already defined destination apps CC messages to Lemur with a move of the fader in Lemur.

    Another question , most of the times I see the program changes are not midi learnable. Anyone knows how to capture the PC message to define e.g. A Button in Lemur to change the program of that scene?

    Thanks!

  • @AlexB said|
    Another question , most of the times I see the program changes are not midi learnable. Anyone knows how to capture the PC message to define e.g. A Button in Lemur to change the program of that scene?

    Patch changes via program change need to be implemented by the developer in each app. For apps that don't have this (most) there is nothing you can do with Lemur or any other controller. There are at least a couple of long threads on this subject if you want to look into it further, but that's the bottom line.

  • edited August 2016

    Sometimes I am amazed to realize that some basic things that were well managed 30 years ago with hardware synths and MIDI are not yet well implemented in Ipad. It's simply ridiculous....

  • Enjoying this app for the most part... mostly for the puzzle factor though. I have found 3 or 4 useful templates I can use without much set up. The recordable control template is very useful, and a couple other controllers and sequencers I've downloaded from the User Library will get some use.

    Now for the hard part.. attempting to make my own.

    Making some faders, knobs, etc. is pretty straight forward and got that working easily.

    All I want to do is make one control surface that has some faders controlling one app, and a couple other sets of faders & knobs controlling 2 other apps.

    I understand under the "More Setting" I have to set up various targets on different channels for each app, but setting this up is making me go insane I think. Got it working for 2 channels on 2 apps, but when I tried to set up the 3rd, I got lost, then somehow messed up what I did with the 2 channels and can't remember what I did.

    The only way I could get it to work was using midiFlow to define anther midi channel.

    Read where @wim said you could make a controller that controlled several apps from the same control surface and got excited. But making that actually work has become more of a challenge that I thought it'd be. There's got to be some bit of logic I'm just not groking well enough with regard to the channel assignments in the target section. Arghhh....

  • Is Destination set? It isn't enough to just set the channel and message, you also have to tell it which MIDI destination (ex. MIDI 0) to go to. That one caught me up a few times.

  • @wim said:
    Is Destination set? It isn't enough to just set the channel and message, you also have to tell it which MIDI destination (ex. MIDI 0) to go to. That one caught me up a few times.

    Destination for target? If so, yes. Or, destination for the fader? If so, then yes. Both set.

    Setting this up via iPad though, not desktop. Kinda works but maybe buggy?

    Also, looks like you can only create/edit templates on via iPad or desktop, not iPhone? Only load templates on iPhone?

  • @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:
    Is Destination set? It isn't enough to just set the channel and message, you also have to tell it which MIDI destination (ex. MIDI 0) to go to. That one caught me up a few times.

    Destination for target? If so, yes. Or, destination for the fader? If so, then yes. Both set.

    Setting this up via iPad though, not desktop. Kinda works but maybe buggy?

    Also, looks like you can only create/edit templates on via iPad or desktop, not iPhone? Only load templates on iPhone?

    I doubt Lemur is buggy. It doesn't have that reputation. That said I'm out of ideas.

    No editing on the iPhone.

  • edited August 2016

    Thx. Will try aga> @wim said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @wim said:
    Is Destination set? It isn't enough to just set the channel and message, you also have to tell it which MIDI destination (ex. MIDI 0) to go to. That one caught me up a few times.

    Destination for target? If so, yes. Or, destination for the fader? If so, then yes. Both set.

    Setting this up via iPad though, not desktop. Kinda works but maybe buggy?

    Also, looks like you can only create/edit templates on via iPad or desktop, not iPhone? Only load templates on iPhone?

    I doubt Lemur is buggy. It doesn't have that reputation. That said I'm out of ideas.

    No editing on the iPhone.

    Thx. Will figure it out when I'm fresh. Probably caught up in some error loop in my thinking.

    EDIT: Got it working. Didn't need Midiflow, my understanding was wrong on that. Don't completely understand the logic of why the settings I've got now are working, but I've now got a basic control surface controlling Fieldscaper, Soundcaper, Sparkle & Moebius Lab... all independently on the same control surface at the same. Kewl :)

  • I can't get this to sync to Loopy. Or any app. Slave to Midi Clock is turned on, but no sync. Any advice?

  • @gburks said:
    I can't get this to sync to Loopy. Or any app. Slave to Midi Clock is turned on, but no sync. Any advice?

    Don't know exactly, but the capability for midi sync has to be scripted into the template you are using, if you are using a template of a sequencer, then yes, that should work.

  • I really like Lemur, but I have struggled to find understandable guidance on scripting. I need some kind of idiots guide.

    I have tried some of the sequencers, but the timing is less than perfect so i won't use it for that.

    Love the looks of it though. And the physics, just wish the coding was a little simpler...

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