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I'm definitely warming up to this one. It's got accent, slide and reverse features in the sequencer so I reckon it's possible to make those liquid elastic Leftfield-esque sub basslines.
As @StormJH1 mentioned, MIDI implementation should be interesting too - although I'll probably run it from its own sequencer most of the time.
Is it strange that I want a volca shaker ?
It would have gyroscopes and accelerometers that let you literally
Shake it....
From what I hear, the teenage engineering po rhythm does a lot of the same stuff, for 1/3 the cost.
And with three times the grungy aliasing and an almost unusable user interface. I had the POs, but the gimmick factor became annoying pretty fast for me. Volcas strike exactly the right balance between sound and usability, while still being really cheap for hardware imo.
Is this a good place to mention the FlexyKick app?
An app dedicated to getting you that perfect synth kick.
If you're interested in physical modelling synthesis, this volca kick should be somewhat interesting. It consists of an impulse driver and a resonator, so it goes some way to fulfilling in the analogue domain what occurs in the digital for the physical modelling synths one would normally be used to (eg the ice works gear stuff). What I'm wondering though is whether the volca kick offers some kind of feedback loop from the resonant filter output back into either itself or into the impulse driver.
Filter resonance is essentially a feedback loop, but you mean feeding signal back into the oscillator? I don't think it would make much difference as the self-oscillating MS-20 Mk.1 filter oscures most of the oscillator input signal anyway.
It's going to be interesting to see if they manage to do a chromatic tuning of the self-oscillation or let the user do that by ear.
https://ask.audio/articles/after-korg-volca-kick-whats-next-a-volca-toaster
I'd be lying if I pretended I could follow all that, but I think you're getting at my question about pitched notes. The Volca Kick has 16 buttons similar to the Bass, Beats, and Sample. But on the Beats and Sample, all 16 are the same color, since they are only used for triggering things, not for notes. The Kick's buttons are laid out like a piano roll (like the Bass). That tells me there has to be pitch tuning involved. But I'd really like to see even a brief video from Korg showing off that ability, as well as some more meloidic bass notes, before I pre-order.
There is a melodic example in the soundcloud demos they have on their site. And I see buttons labeled "1 oct up" and "2 oct up", which would bring any kick sound into bassline frequency ranges. So my best guess is that we will be able to play this thing like a keyboard.
Edit: the manual and midi implementation chart are online at Korg.com... Yes we can...
True, resonance is direct feedback within (or around) the filter's active RC ladder itself but if a wider feedback loop were also to encompass a delay line, and also phase alteration and perhaps even rectification or other wave changing non linearities, the 'pipe' of this resulting delay line could be made to sound quite dramatic.
I dunno. I have an awful lot of fun with the po-12 and it sounds fantastic to my ears. Though, no doubt, I'm more likely to make completed(ish) music with a Volca.
Korg doesn't know it but when the developer of one of the best drum synths on iOS is interested in their latest drum synth thingy, they've got my attention!
The PO-12 was my favorite of the bunch. But the buttons were so finnicky they wouldn't register half of the time (especially while holding one and pressing another) and I could never get consistent results out of it. Anyway.. I thought they were interesting from a design perspective (and I liked the packaging concept) but they were not for me.
The Volca Kick interests me from a bassline perspective. I've got plenty of kick-making devices, but this seems to be able to make things that are a hybrid of percussion and melody which should allow for results I wouldn't normally come up with. It's certainly on my watchlist and once I've seen another youtube vid or two I may even put in a preorder (tell my wife it's for R&D purposes, obviously ;-)).
Actually played with a volca keys, volca fm and the po-12 this morning, all synced up without a MIDI cable in sight. Good fun for sure. Had a bit of a break through with the PO-12 for anyone still using one: if you hold the effect button down (1-16) first and then tap the main FX button to engage it it's much easier to get tight rhythmic effects. Or you can go crazy mashing different FX and then tap the main FX button on the downbeats to sorta clear the way through the FX mud for your main beats. Very fun! I miss mutes on it though nearly every time I use it. Func+Number is just begging for it.
'cuse the dumb question, but how does this sync work? Link is too new to have made it to hardware right?
Old school pulses via wire(s). Each pulse == one clock, usually normalled to quarter notes I think.
Yep, you'll often see it referred to as a CV pulse or CV gate ("controlled voltage"). It seems kind of archaic and it is implemented better on some devices than others, but it has a few major advantages:
The PO-12 Rhythm is definitely the most "usable' of the Pocket Operators because it doesn't have the music theory limitations of the other instruments (which are basically limited to white keys only, C Major, etc.) Also, it's hurt less than others by the lack of MIDI, since you can just set up a drum machine as its own sequencer.
I'm actually surprised how well the buttons on the pocket operators DO work, given how they look. That being said, I have 4 of them, and would be a little surprised if all of them are still working 5 years from now. With the Volcas, I do hope that they continue to work for longer than that. MIDI helps there too, since it should still work as a sound module even if a button or a knob craps out on the physical device.
I completely with you on the Volca Kick. I'm likely to pre-order, but I really want to see a second demo that uses it in the manner we are describing. Even then, there's still the concern that it will have like one type of sub bass sound, but I guess you could argue there aren't dramatic differences in sub bass types anyway, apart from controlling decay time, etc.
Where in the hell is the Volca mixer anyway? With clock distribution, a 1x4 midi thru box and mini KP built in? Come on tats!
I gotta get me one of THESE! Got a cruncholator and everything! Boom diggity!
A couple new Volca Kick videos out in the past few days, but it's this second one from Tony Horgan that really got me excited:
That's almost exactly what I was hoping for. Hearing some great low frequency bass tones and mean driven leads from this little tiny box! He shows off a 0-127 pitch control, but it's still not clear to me if that is tied chromatically to semitones (by holding the function key), or with the ribbon keyboard/MIDI keyboard. Still, much more encouraged having seen the variety of sounds he got.
Watched that video (and some knobcon vids) about a dozen times. It seems like a pretty novel/versatile take on the bass synth concept. I like what I am hearing!
Now I'm debating what to preorder first, this - or the TB-03...
I am pre-ordered with Sweetwater (actually did it last week, so I feel better having seen the new videos). Sweetwater's a great place to buy from, but I've had a couple instances where I got in late trying to buy an item that was back-ordered everywhere, and had to wait several weeks. In this case, the sales rep followed up and indicated that he was expecting it late October/early November and that I was "one of the earlier pre-orders", so I'm more optimistic this time.
So, yeah, I'm excited, but I can't see this one drumming up the same pre-order rush that the Volca FM did. Maybe not even close.
Likely not. Here in the Netherlands (no Sweetwater here) I could just walk into my local Keymusic and get a Volca FM off the shelf. But there's something about pre-ordering that's part of the fun... dat anticipation excitement
I've got both, and the iMS20 emulation is spot on.
Oh, so I totally missed (or neglected to read) your earlier post with the manual excerpt. It clearly describes holding the FUNC key and then you can adjust by "steps of an octave" (semitones, right?). Perfect!
Now I remember what my one other question was: velocity. Volca had two other analog synths that responded to velocity with an un-modded MIDI cable (Keys and Bass). I have to assume (or hope that this one will do the same). They took some flak for the FM not having it, though obviously not enough flak to prevent them from selling thousands of them. And I do have to say that controlling velocity with the FM's slider is a pretty enjoyable experience, and pretty important for sound design once you realize how dramatically FM notes change with velocity changes.
I interpreted it as letting you set the semitones using the key-pad and using the pitch knob to transpose octaves up and down. But chromatic tuning is a sure thing as far as I can tell.
Velocity is not recognized as far as I can tell from the MIDI implementation chart (although it's not the clearest chart I've ever seen... it seems to say it receives velocity and ignores it).
Ha, wonderful. "I see your velocity command and decline to acknowledge it". I'd be the last person qualified to interpret a MIDI chart, so we'll have to wait and see.
IIRC, the Volca FM could handle velocity information via MIDI command, but just plugging a standard DIN MIDI cable into it would not accept velocity from a keyboard. So Retrokits made that RK-002 (Midiator) cable with a firmware update to kind of trick it into working with keyboards. It does work, BUT you have to have a MIDI controller (or thru box) that supplies MIDI Power, which I didn't even know was a thing until I encountered this problem.
Why the hell tr-03 is 50 more on thomann?
Nice to know
cheers dude
yeah well i just ordered a red minibrute. sweet cherry red....