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How to use drum trigger with any audiobus apps?
Hey guys,
Long time since I last posted. Sorry in advance if this has already been covered somewhere but I've got an electronic kick pedal and Roland electronic snare and would like to use those live to trigger samples from either my iPhone or ipad. What interface would I need and is this even possible? Would the Apogee be able to let me do what I want?
Thnx
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Wow? Nobody here uses a drum trigger for say a fat kick sample or snare sample??
Do either/both have midi? If so, is it USB or do they have the DIN connectors? In the case of USB, you should be able to use the camera connector kit. If they are DIN, you would need a midi interface, such as the midi mobilizer 2.
I don't know of any audio-triggered sample app like the Alesis D4/5. Think you'll need to convert to midi first. Cheap way to do that is a used D4! Gets you 12 trigger inputs.
Voxkit may be able to do what you want, as long as you can trigger via an audio interface input instead of the built in mic.
I'm the developer of Voxkit, and it might be what you need. The app listens to incoming audio, and based on the tone, can trigger one of four different MIDI notes (or samples from the app itself). The tone of the sounds have to be distinct; I usually drum on a practice pad for snare, hit the sticks together for a bass, tap on a metal sheet for a hat, and make a "ch" sound vocally for a crash. The note identification isn't perfect, but it's pretty good if you train it right.
Because the notes are picked out through the audio system (and I'm looking for overall tone, not a specific pitch), we've been able to get the latency very low -- lower than what you'd normally have to deal with on a touch to the screen.
Obviously, the audio output has to go to headphones, so that the audio sample you trigger doesn't cause another note to trigger.
The app is fairly unusual -- I don't know of another one like it that has MIDI and Audiobus (and I think that some people expect a DM1-style drum machine when they see it, leaving them confused).
If you want to check it out, I'd suggest waiting until Friday, when there's going to be a sale (MIDImorphosis will go live on that day).
But can it trigger from the line in?
Yes -- it can trigger from line in. If you have a line into the headphone jack that includes the microphone (stuff like the Earpods that have the built-in mic), you can trigger notes that way. It also works with inputs through the dock -- I can trigger notes with my guitar and an Apogee Jam.
I don't over-ride where the default audio input is coming from -- so whatever got plugged in to the device last (that has audio in), that's what gets used.
I don't have an electronic kick or the Roland snare -- so I can't say for sure that it'll work, but I think that it should.
Ok, so if gicyrus plugs the audio from his kick pedal and electro snare via a dock or usb audio interface with CCK, he should be able to train Voxkit to trigger different sounds for each. Plus, the output doesn't need to be to headphones as there'd be no mic feeding back into the input.
do triggers even put out an audible "sound"? I thought they just sent out a electric pulse that a drum brain or whatever translated into a sound and/or midi message.
I'm assuming these bits of kit make a noise. I was using the word trigger as a verb. You yourself mentioned an "audio-triggered sample app", which made me think of Voxkit. Obviously, if they are trigger (noun) output only, then the output will be a pulse, which would likely not be suitable as an audio input for Voxkit.
I don't have the Roland snare, but I'd guess that the guts of it are a piezo transducer mic -- if it's got a 1/4" jack output, there's a good shot that it could run into the input of an iPad (headphone jack -- maybe, and probably through something like an Apogee).
If the Roland connector is something else... you might want to be careful.
You can pick up a piezo mic fairly cheaply -- they attach to any surface, and block out open-air sounds pretty well, responding only to physical resonance. I haven't tried it yet, but it seems like something that should work -- I'll grab one tomorrow, and give it a go.
(and a disclaimer for hooking up electronics in unusual ways... Never use electronics of any kind, or connect anything to anything else. Stay inside, and wear a helmet. Always read the manual. Do not void the warranty.... But in all seriousness, check the voltage levels that might come out of the snare or anything else, before running it into your iPad).
Thanks guys for your "input"!
I actually do have Voxkit already so I'll give it a go.
I'll also look into the D4 as well.
Much appreciated.
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