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This is not a thread for the relative merits of bluetooth or any other (nonetheless worthy) but myopic discussion of the recent Apple changes.
I'm just worried that my magazine-size recording studio and all its instruments — my iPad — will be phased out someday.
I have a 1974 Fender Precision that sounds like GOD in any studio or on any stage. I picked it up 20 years after it was manufactured and it was perfect. After my second kid was born, it basically stayed under my bed for three years; when I pulled it out to show him how dad used to make a living, IT WAS STILL IN TUNE. (Bad for the neck, I know, but good for the story.)
Now I've bought into an absolutely amazing and actually life changing. But the company that makes it banks on me trading it in every two or three years. The devices have certainly improved, but what if you get a good one? Why does that have to eventually break down?
My question for the engineers is this: Isn't there a way to effectively stop time on a good vintage iPad? Can't somebody figure out a way to prevent a device from updating itself into a coma? I think it's time for a kind of iOS legacy program.
I would HAPPILY dedicate a device to only using music that never needs to be updated. Surely this marvel of engineering should last at least a decade, as long as your kid doesn't drop it. Or is that counter to the business model of scheduled obsolescence?
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I think there are options you could investigate... that are best found beyond this forum.
Just take a break is all I am saying.
(Oh and turn off auto updates.)
Install the apps you need and turn of the Wifi for good. (Or create a wifi-network with no internet connection).
After that there is no way for the device to update itself.
After the device has 'passed' EOL in Apples eyes no more updates will e pushed out and it's 'safe' to turn on wifi again. The device would not have gotten any 'critical' updates so turning on the wifi will be done at own risk.
I will never will see apps as a permanent investment...
I too have those same doubts in the back of my mind. iOS music making may seem cheap bought in nice easy to swallow chunks of cheap apps and seemingly one large purchase (large for my circumstances at this time). Yet I have now spent over £1500 in the year of ownership (iPad + apps).
Still pretty much a bargain for what it does, yet how long will it remain as usable as it is today? My Air2 does pretty much what I want now, yet I fear it will have to be taken away from all touch with the Internet within the next year or so to keep it safe. Yes that can be done, but then I will need to buy a new laptop to back up its current state.
Easy eh? Not a problem, just like a computers. Back up and enjoy while the hardware lasts? No, not really. Ios does not make it easy to clean after system use, so that save will have to be relied upon, as the OS is not available stand alone. The apps are seemingly in a constant state of flux with the OS version and other important app versions (eg Audiobus).
So that one save has to be chosen. A snapshot in time. Better be a good one!
Not a week goes by now that I don't consider some hardware again. Just for that added feeling of security.
Did i miss some news about Apple forcing updates?
Granted, the update notifications suck but i have yet to see a forced update
What does a company owe you for buying one of its products? I'm not asking to antagonize anyone. I would genuinely like to hear opinions on this.
I'm just talking tech here. For me, when I buy hardware, I'm happy if I can get a few years out of it. Of course, the longer the better. I'm talking "disposable" tech like phones, tablets, and computers -- not vintage synthesizers.
It seems to me that some hold Apple to a different standard and have a bizarre sense of entitlement. I'm not sure if that's because Apple stuff costs more or something else.
There's a lot of heartbreak, that comes from music software aging. With computers too. It can help to see the device (ipad or computer), the audio interface, the software (apps), and operating system (iOS version) that shipped with the device, are a "set". Never break the set; use the set for as long as you will, take the set to the dump when you are done.
The plan here is my ipad 4 will be staying on ios 8, and ipad air 1 will be staying on 9, and be married to the apps that are on them. It will be hard not to get greedy, and break the set, and try to sneak them into the future with updates, but that's how happy marriages end.
Nicely said.
I've kept my old iPad 2 on iOS 7x, as this seems to be the best version performance-wise, and a range of synths on there that I've also 'frozen' version wise. It's Monzo Jnr's for now as I use an Air 2 now for music, but it's nice to know I'll always (unless the CPU dies or Monzo Jnr drops it down the stairs) be able to pick it up and play, say, the iMS20 regardless of any Apple shenanigans.
Funnily enough I got my bass down from the loft last year, where it's been in the damp and cold for the last 15 years, and that was still in tune too.
Don't worry in the golden age as we reach obsolescence, the devices of that time will emulate the retro stuff of a past age, probably along with those funky sounding jack headphones.
Exactly. It will be nothing for the average tablet/toaster to emulate the finest of our current cutting edge, clunky, tinny sounding apps that don't even remember their settings or let you transfer samples between them without backflips and the sacrificing of goats.
I think hardware wise as there are so many I-devices out there, shouldn't be much of a problem as far as spares are concerned. I might in the future dedicate a small partition with just itunes, last update downloaded and a copy of my favourite music and art apps, then pray my computer doesn't keel over.
I wonder if there will be any sort of modding scene for ipads in the future where you could upgrade the main board, ram and cpu, seems unlikely but it's happened with certain hardware in the past like the cheese grater mp, when their are enough people who can't say goodbye, or dislike the new upgrades or downgrades depending on your pov or need.
Transience gives me the whim whams...after 56 years I am starting to calm down. I tend to go backwards in tech as I'm simultaneously dragged (by my appetites) forward...
Just bought a tower that runs xp, so I can run a studio from the 90s...using Modstep to sequence it...go figure
I think you're projecting. I've been an Apple fanboy since the Quadra, comrade. I'm not worried about the lack of headphone jack; I have total faith that it will be easily surmountable and the only people that it will inconvenience are the early adopters. (And for those who wait in line to buy mass-produced products? You get what you deserve.)
My worry is that I ADORE my iPad and its apps, and that I want it to last the way a well-made instrument will last. But increasingly "improvements" seem to exist only to render perfectly usable products unusable. Although I'll take the @Processaurus Finite Set plan to heart.
No, I just asked a question to anyone who cares to respond. It kind of looks like you who is projecting your desire for the iPad to be an instrument and have the durability of one well-made.
And it seems like you're just looking to get into a pissing match.
It's not that hard...just buy the latest iPad (pro 12.9 it's the most powerful to date but a pro 9.7 or an air 2 will do fine), wait for an stable iOS 10 version (if you have a newish iPad already iOS 9.3.5 it's actually pretty good, I think most developers and iOS pro users would agree) turn off wifi and cellular data (if you have it) forever ... and that's it your iPad will remain a stable powerful machine without new iOS versions making it slower or new app uptades removing features you like or introducing bugs. You can always get another iPad for the new stuff.
Edit: whenever Apple decides your iPad it's not fit for the newest iOS version 5 or 6 years from now you could turn wifi on again if you like.
I'm not actually talking seriously about forced updates. I'm kind of just speaking metaphorically, which certainly has led to confusion. I am just caught in the paradox of admiring an ephemeral instrument.
I know what you mean here (see my comment above). Every time something really cool stabilizes, I want everything to just stop moving. This is as true for me in my music as in everything else, truthfully. The tricky thing about iOS is that new cool shit keeps dropping and I chase it. It's has been easier on my psyche sometimes to downgrade or go full retrograde and get into a much earlier system (i.e. After getting into iPad music I got into Bhaji's Loops (Palm Pilot), Griff (Windows Mobile), "ancient" trackers etc etc.) These platforms have stopped upgrading, so the ongoing appquisitiveness that leads me to upgrading OS, that in turn leads me to upgrade the device is off the table.
Precisely. I spent what felt like a productive few hours in isequence yesterday, but it must also be said that I set a beat running from Blocs and noodled over it with Mitosynth this morning and felt that I had time-traveled. And then there's next year...
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iSequence!
Had it fired up in my classroom the other day, GUI projected on the wipeboard while the kids had their breakfast-in-the-classroom...had their heads bobbin' and toes tappin'
It's a great app. As is it's a great app. But if you could import in a little and move things around a little more it'd be the future. That place where someone else has solved all your problems for you. Where you don't have to sit and just get on with the work. As it is I'm left with the excuses of myself, which -surely- must be somebody else's fault...
Are you actually tempted to try? I am. I think it's more of an option than with a Windows machine due to the more restricted file structures of iOS. Apple could offer a freeze iPad service
I have two older Mac-systems running with which I can still setup and reprogram my Yamaha sytem (01x/i88x). Downside is, I have to work with old Os's (24bit), since newer versions wouldn't work... . All seamlessly playing still. My wife uses the old iPad2, with no hiccups, the iPad4 still does all I need (ios 7 still, you have to get used to ignoring the red button saying: 128 updates!). Everytime I think about selling older stuff, I come to realise again, they're doing so much more than the money I could possibly get from selling them could get me. Downside here: all those devices just keep accumulating and kind of filling up my spaces... . But: no worries having devices frozen in the state I need them at. All good here. Cheers, twobeers
I think it depends on the version of iOS you decide to stick with. Some versions of iOS 8 were a pain for not getting rid of junk files. iOS 9 gained me so much space back. iOS 9 seems to have solved a lot of the problems I encountered with iOS 8. I would play stick with the current iOS and apps as I have them now.
The problem is one of when to make that move with a device. My current setup seems the most stable it's been, but I know some AU goodness is coming. Do I wait and risk losing the current stability or do I play my hand into iOS 10? This truly is a game of poker
Even if it were an old manual type of instrument, that wouldn't stay the same forever. If you had a harpsichord, you know someone would come along and invent the pianoforte to make it obsolete.
Then again I still love the harpsichord. Same with the Sp1200. It's obsoleteness is what makes it amazing.
All this 'freezing' at a set level is fine in theory. The problem is, Apple does not allow you to restore to an older version of iOS. So when (not if) your device goes batsh't - there goes your 'frozen snapshot.' Planned obsolecense at its best. You know it going in, but it has always felt just this side of criminal to me they are allowed to get away with this. Just sayin'