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irig HD gain light question?

@IK_Multimedia @ikmultimedia or anyone else.

I recently got this, I like it, it's easy to use and it sounds good. I am having trouble with discerning the orange and red when they are lit up. Now, this could be related to being colorblind, it's hard for me to tell the difference.

Instructions say that the lights should fluctuate between green and orange. Some times they do. It depends which preset I am using in Bias FX or Tonestack...... And where I have the little gain dial set.

Problem I have is, in order to get a full/decent sounding preset, like when I used my iriffport, or griffin dock, I need to turn the little gain dial up so the tones and mostly distortion presets sound full. Like my other devices. You know, cuz I hate change :).

This turning up of the gain dial throws the light into the red, and then down to orange. Though the red and orange are difficult for me to tell apart.

_My main question here is this: _ How important is "not" going into the red? On some presets, this is the best tone I can get, if I dial the gain knob down, it sounds flat and cuts out with not a lot of sustain. What am I risking in the orange to red? Clipping? If so, clipping the signal when I am Jamming or playing live, or just when recording?

I want to have a good sound, but I want to make sure when I record I am not going to run into clipping or things that will cause/create problems by the Red......... Anyone have any fixes/ideas for this? Or.........Does it not matter as much as I am thinking? I want to keep using the irig HD, but if I can't get a decent sound without going all red.....Then..................

Thanks

On a side note, I just recently washed a pair of JVC earbuds. and dried them. Damn things were in my pocket and went through the wash, and through a 60 minute dryer cycle. After I got em untangled, and found the memory phone ear pieces. I plugged them in, (to the 3.5 jack no less! ;) ) and the things still worked, and they sounded great! (As good as 20.00 buds can sound). Just an FYI for ya'll :)

Comments

  • OT.

    I have a future 'design request' to IK folks. Add a multi-segment LED for input-level indication...

    And please do consider to design/build/sell a smallish AD/DA+Midi using 3,5mm Jacks (Audio In/Out, Midi In/Out, USB-Passthru and Charge).

    And if you decide to create something similar to the above please consider adding a 'spacer' so that you'r devices can be used with a case on the iOS-Device.

    The lack of a 'spacer' is one reason I've not purchased the iRig Field Mic because It can't be used with a case.

    End of 'rant'...

  • @High5denied - Yes, the manual states that the optimal behavior would be alternating between green and orange. This is optimal so you get the strongest signal without clipping/distorting. So to answer your main question - it is important, and I feel it is important for both jamming and recording. You don't want to have too hot a signal to cause the kind of distortion you don't want to have. If you are seeing green to orange you should be in a good range. Typically you probably aren't going to go straight up to the red unless you are sending a lot of signal quickly and you would typically hear the effects of this.

    @Samu - Thank you for the suggestion for the multi-segment LED, this is something we have been looking into for future products. I will relay your suggestions for a compact AD/DA/MIDI spacer for products like iRig Mic Field.

  • The experts have weighed in now, but I'll lend my own perspective at the risk of sounding foolish.

    Not going into the red is important unless you like the distortion that it produces. Going into the red means that the iRig itself is going to clip and distort. But maybe you like that distortion? The whole principle of distortion is over driving electronics so that they distort the signal.

    The standard answer here would be to keep the iRig below levels that it will distort, then to increase the input signal within your amp sim to the point where it drives the level of distortion that you want. Keep in mind that you have several places where level can be adjusted, each affecting the resulting distortion:

    • Output level of the source instrument (guitar or whatever)
    • Gain of the iRig
    • Input level of the amp sim
    • Levels of the FX and Amp within in the amp sim chain
    • Output level of the amp sim
    • Recording levels.
    • etc.

    All of these can introduce distortion. Normally you would want to adjust the gain of the iRig so that it doesn't go into the Red, and then adjust the input level of the amp sim so that the signal is just approaching 0db. BUT if distortion from another place in the chain sounds good to you, don't be afraid to use it!

    Abusing electronics with "undesirable" distortion is the whole basis of rock and roll baby. B)

  • @wim said:
    The experts have weighed in now, but I'll lend my own perspective at the risk of sounding foolish.

    Not going into the red is important unless you like the distortion that it produces. Going into the red means that the iRig itself is going to clip and distort. But maybe you like that distortion? The whole principle of distortion is over driving electronics so that they distort the signal.

    The standard answer here would be to keep the iRig below levels that it will distort, then to increase the input signal within your amp sim to the point where it drives the level of distortion that you want. Keep in mind that you have several places where level can be adjusted, each affecting the resulting distortion:

    • Output level of the source instrument (guitar or whatever)
    • Gain of the iRig
    • Input level of the amp sim
    • Levels of the FX and Amp within in the amp sim chain
    • Output level of the amp sim
    • Recording levels.
    • etc.

    All of these can introduce distortion. Normally you would want to adjust the gain of the iRig so that it doesn't go into the Red, and then adjust the input level of the amp sim so that the signal is just approaching 0db. BUT if distortion from another place in the chain sounds good to you, don't be afraid to use it!

    Abusing electronics with "undesirable" distortion is the whole basis of rock and roll baby. B)

    Sorry, cant chip in with any technical help but I have to say your last statement is brilliant Sir. I take the Jeremy Clarkson approach myself and red line the lot. :wink:

  • I never seem to need the battery boost with my iRig HD, it seems to work well with just USB power.

  • @ikmultimedia Thanks for the verification on the lights. Appreciate it.

    @wim said:
    The experts have weighed in now, but I'll lend my own perspective at the risk of sounding foolish.

    Not going into the red is important unless you like the distortion that it produces. Going into the red means that the iRig itself is going to clip and distort. But maybe you like that distortion? The whole principle of distortion is over driving electronics so that they distort the signal.

    The standard answer here would be to keep the iRig below levels that it will distort, then to increase the input signal within your amp sim to the point where it drives the level of distortion that you want. Keep in mind that you have several places where level can be adjusted, each affecting the resulting distortion:

    • Output level of the source instrument (guitar or whatever)
    • Gain of the iRig
    • Input level of the amp sim
    • Levels of the FX and Amp within in the amp sim chain
    • Output level of the amp sim
    • Recording levels.
    • etc.

    All of these can introduce distortion. Normally you would want to adjust the gain of the iRig so that it doesn't go into the Red, and then adjust the input level of the amp sim so that the signal is just approaching 0db. BUT if distortion from another place in the chain sounds good to you, don't be afraid to use it!

    Abusing electronics with "undesirable" distortion is the whole basis of rock and roll baby. B)

    hmm...... This is quite an eye opener for myself. I feel like I should be hitting myself on the head, saying you idiot!

    When I use my iriffport, all the level adjustment is made on my ipad itself. Be it the gain control in bias, the amps the pedals and so on. So, I have all of my presets set for my iriffport usage. So, I could check the levels of all my amps and pedals and chains within my presets with the irig hd. That seems like an awful lot of work though. I think I tried adjusting the input and output levels in Bias FX, and that didn't do a lot to keep the red light from appearing.

    The red light only comes on during my metal presets. And, certain ones at that. Like my megadeth on. Children of Bodom, 666/Argon. Just the heavy hitters. With my Rock/Country and acoustic presets it doesn't go red. So..........I think maybe what you are saying @wim sounds good to me. I didn't notice any unwanted distortion in the metal presets. In fact, the presets sound better and more like they do with the iriffport/like I want them to with the gain indicator in the red. So.........I like the distortion, maybe I'm ok then? When I play mellow stuff, I don't want the distortion. But, it isn't there on those presets. :)!!

    Thanks......

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