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Polyphonic midi sequencer
Hi all
I'm about to give up. I've literally bought and tried most of the big names out there midi-sequencer wise and I just can't find a stable midi sequencer that would serve my live purpose and yet be stable enough to be reliable. I think I'm going to chuck away the whole ipad thing and get a hardware cirklon or something.
What I need ideally is:
- ability to have more than 4 tracks at a time
- easy UI to enter in midi
- for it not to crash when you start using iaa
- ability to trigger tracks using external midi
- stable clock
- polyphony!!!
Lots of sequencers app are monophonic, which don't help me. Auxy and the like do not respond to external midi trigger. One of the good ones I found was pro midi studio, but it crashes a lot with iaa. Korg gadget is awesome but does not have midi out. Modstep is the most complicated thing to use and i've wasted hours trying to understand before i realised maybe it's not worth it. Genome crashes a lot. I don't need steppolyarp and any other arp apps.
I've begun to investigate into lemur and touchosc templates, but i know lemur takes quite a bit of resources. Also, which template would be the best for me, since there are soo many out there.
Anybody have any suggestion/idea/pointers for me, that'd be most welcomed.
Thanks
R
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I'd say stick it out with ModStep, learn it, get some confidence with it. It will serve you well.
With the latest update to ModSTEP I'm starting to like it again
Modstep+AUM is life. seriously. stick with it.
you can then do stuff like in this video:-
I threw in the towel on Modstep and started using Ableton Live on my Mac as a midi looper, driving apps loaded in AUM on my iPad. In Ableton live I can map a midi foot pedal to record clips on the fly, I don't have to know the clip length until I finish playing and click the pedal again.
I didn't get that far with Modstep. Can I map foot pedal buttons to record clips like this? Can it do dynamic clip length?
Seems to me Cubasis might be what you're looking for.
Just came across infinite looper that looked promising, but the UI is so ugly. Feels like it was made in the 70s. Not motivating at all.
It's too clever to ignore, though. Try Aleph Looper for cheap first.
ModStep. But for now I personally don't trust it for hosting IAA's and AU's. Too many bad experiences. As long as I host everything in Audiobus and/or AUM and just use ModStep for sequencing, it's solid.
Other options...
Cubasis ... the jury is still out on that in my mind. I've had a few issues with figuring out how to host certain IAA's, to get the timing correct, and with automating parameters of some AUs.
Auria Pro ... rock solid, but not the most inspiring. And you still need to use it with AUM for AU hosting for now.
Bottom line: if you're going to get frustrated over every quirk and instability just give up now and go for a PC or Mac. The platform requires patience and creativity, and above all, willingness to put up with many shortcomings. If you're not ready for all that, save yourself the grief. It is what it is.
I still haven't been able to use ModStep in any "productive" way, but it stays relevant because of the work they put into those MIDI templates. Especially if you dabble in some hardware stuff to go with your iOS music apps, ModStep is an interesting way to marry the two. I've had it going with my Korg Volcas and a $30 USB/MIDI interface in between.
The fact that you can use AU stuff in there along with the passable internal instruments makes it even more plausible as a composition tool. But at the end of the day, I'm going to need a DAW like MTS or Cubasis to record what I'm doing anyway. So I see ModStep as more of a live performance tool, OR as a controller/step sequencer on steroids to control instruments that you record somewhere else.
Clever and creative. One of my faves of 2016 for sure.
Same here. My first thought after reading the original post was that the title should be changed to "Polyphonic midi sequencer with solid IAA hosting" because they're different beasts. Indeed, I wish modstep didn't offer this feature at all and instead focused itself entirely on MIDI sequencing. Think you want AUM + the time to learn modstep. Cubasis is petty nice too but modstep seems much better suited to live work. Well, if it's going to be at all interactive anyway. If a "song mode" is important though... maybe not.
Well, I wrote that before the latest ModStep update dropped. So far it looks a lot more stable, though I only tested it briefly.
I still like the idea better of keeping sequencing separate from hosting for a number of reasons (not the least of which is flexibility to use more than one device). And I still wonder how much incredibly more amazing ModStep would be if the developers could have dumped all the time they've spent ironing out IAA and AU issues into the parts of the app I really care about. But I realize I'm out of the mainstream on that one. Most people just want to be working in one app and not to have to bolt together a bunch of stuff. The devs are probably completely right on that account. Here's to hoping that they've conquered the problems!
... at least until Apple breaks stuff again.
@wim we can be on the margins of the mainstream together then. I too hope they've conquered it all but AB for switching, AUM for hosting and Modstep for sequencing is working well at the moment. Without AB it feels clumsy but the sidebar works perfectly.
Add AB Remote on another device and it's downright elegant.
I'd use Auria Pro, @rajiv.perseedoss, because it has really advanced, Desktop-like MIDI controls, ability of managing multiple tempo and time signatures in the same song, really thorough grid settings, and because you'd have a full DAW instead of a one-trick pony. And, it's good to know, AU is coming to Auria as well.
Well. I too wish they just focused on midi. You might not be that alone after all lol.
I gotta say, though, I'm super impressed with the stability of this update. I just worked the hell out of it with 8 hosted instruments and at least a dozen parameters automated, and it didn't even break a sweat.
I know it's a total meme, but I just noticed for the first time there's no panning in the mixer? Kinda need that to take it seriously as a host IMO.
^ sorta the point!
All that time spent working on instrument hosting instead of core functionality (what constitutes 'core functionality' is only my perspective, of course) and you still can't pan. Or automate (I believe).
Not a complaint—I'm grateful for all the work for le$$ than a movie ticket. Just seems like a waste of time/amazing brains to partially cover what others have already covered really really well (AB+AUM).
If you load the Zmors EQ as an AU in each/any track, you can pan from within that.
Oh my god. you just blew my mind. thank you. might actually start composing stuff in modstep alone now when i'm in a hurry
Just to agree:
Infinite Looper sequencing midi to AUM (hosting IAAs and AUs)
Or
ModStep sequencing midi to AUM (hosting IAAs and AUs)
I actually use the former because although I agree the UI is a bit ugly, it's a nice simple but powerful sequencing app. I get a bit lost in ModStep still.
What Infinite Looper doesn't have is midi cc control. But I've bought a hardware BCR full of knobs for that.
I've found Cubasis to also work pretty well. Although it's a less stable IAA host than AUM.
Good idea, thanks.
For me it's the opposite. Without a proper realtime timeline indicator I just can't seem to use infinite looper at all. Maybe after they add it in. (It's planned apparently)