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You can a real nice used 13" MBP and an actual touch device: iPad Pro.
I still haven't seen if you can simply set the bar to be fixed as ESC+F1-F12. If so, the new bar gets a solid 'neato' vote from me. Could be handy. If not for input, for output (recording meters, clock, CPU load, name of last undoable operation....) If not, for those of use who use keyboard shortcuts in pro applications, it's a bit of a kick in the pants when existing, productive, pro features are removed from 'pro' labeled machines.
I use a lot of shortcuts and the qwerty key combos are already severely overloaded, especially for system wide commands. In theory, I'm all for moving beyond F keys—they are a relic from before terminals could handle key combos! Not as old as the headphone jack but they are pretty, erm, F-ing, old. But they're still very useful. Today, right now, for being _pro_ductive on desktop machines.
With CMD, SHIFT, OPT, CTRL and FN there are a lot of possible base combinations available. If different combinations can bring up mini control panels for different apps—apps that might be running in the background—that could be very cool. Having a built in kaossilator and automation recording strip ain't terrible for musicians. And shit, I tend to learn shortcuts pretty deeply but I can't keep track of all of the 80 different Logic sub-screens' individual menus and shortcuts. This might help—if I can toggle it. I'm pretty confident clever developers will come up with lots of interesting uses for it.
Yeah, so presuming there's a sensible transition period where users can stick with existing F keys (consumers need surprises, pros need a lack of surprises), I'll remain hopeful that good stuff with come from this in the long run.
I wont know until these are probably third generation though! What's with them prices?
The thing is... their prices really never come down at all. Rarely any sale. The only deals are refurbs.
I'm torn. I would like to get out of my current 2012 13in while it's still marginally relevant and runs the latest OS, etc. but $2500... geez. That's kinda steep. If I thought I could squeeze another year or so out of this machine, I think I'd rather upgrade to an iPad Pro. I wonder when the next generation of iPad Pros is supposed to drop? Looks like it won't be during this holiday season, or they would've announced it today.
I've not seen the processor full spec yet. Are these the latest gen i5 ? Apart from the new touch bar and other changes, are there any real power enhancements?
Think they should have named this the Dongle Book Pro. You can't even plug your frigging iPhone without an adapter. Analog headphones though, no problem. Your new lightning headphones? NOPE.
It's thinner and smaller and lighter than the MacBook Air but offers the power of the MBP.
And yes they showed a mode where the touch bar replicates the traditional F keys.
Then they could have put a larger screen in the old shell size and more battery in by shrinking the other component areas. They could have made it more powerful. All this shrinking al laptops is not always better for all market segments.
Yes some will love it and it is what you said, it's also missing the changes many users would prefer - more power and longer battery over a more powerful laptop in the MacBook range.
I feel the same way about iPads. I don't want everything smaller. I don't want the size in these devices to be the most important factor when it takes president over battery life and power to run the next gen of software synths.
It's all choices and personal ones at that. Just seems the world has gone mad about form factor over other areas of use.
I'm thinking I'll get by a little longer with what I already have. I don't like paying a premium to be a beta-tester of new tech. Maybe I'll upgrade to a newer model refurb... and save my pennies for a new iPad Pro. They seem to get the universal thumbs up around here.
I've got a 2011 mbp and the dreaded graphics card issue popped up about a month ago, totally wiping it out, got it replaced, free of charge, but now I live in fear and keep touching it, just to make sure it's not too hot. Was thinking of upgrading this year as the fans kick in on mine as soon as I start thinking of making music on it, going to wait tho until the cannonlake cpu's come out next year, hopefully.
What I like about the new mbp's is the larger trackpads, four usb/thunderbolty ports, I've got ilok and am very resentful it takes up one of my two ports. The throughput on thunderbolt 3 is exciting, was moving sample libraries and my old logic folder to externals, it took an age and I accidentally pulled out the wrong usb lead after 5 hours of copying, when it had 10 minutes left, didn't know how to recover what had copied as it was one large folder and couldn't access it, too tired to turn to terminal.
That touchstrip what a surprise, not, but in my mind when I see it reminds me of the touchstrip on some old roland and yamaha synths, if you can use it to control synths and fx's I'll be half way to full joy. The price tho, cough, splutter, maybe it will be lower by the time I'm ready to take the plunge, overall, I like it, but would like the option of a touch screen, so I could draw automation in.
The most exciting thing I've saw in the last few days was microsofts version of the griffin powermate, which I loved, especially the blue glow, when it interacted with the screen and a pallete of colours popped up, I'm not ashamed to admit, I started to slobber a little. Thought how effortless it looked to push the screen down and turn it into a large drawing surface was impressive, seems like a lot of thought went into it, which makes a pleasant change.
They should have kept the F keys by making that gigantic trackpad a bit smaller
I'm surprised people think that what Microsoft did was innovation. They just added touch to a mouse interface and for creatives added a pencil and a dial, pencil computing it's not innovative, (applies to the Apple Pencil as well) its just a niche tool for professionals That's been tried before but only now works well (iPad Pro and surface) it doesn't do anything for regular people like multitouch did or graphics interfaces after the command line.
Just because it's a "real OS" instead of a mobile one (android or iOS) doesn't make it innovation.
Microsoft it's stretching windows as far as it can because it never developed a successful mobile OS.
Let's be honest the only difference between pens it's that in PC there are "real pro apps"
On topic: I think my MacBook Pro mid 2012 will do just fine until I can do everything with my iPad/ iPhone. Nothing really innovative in this MacBooks either.
Yep, another price rise - thanks, Brexit - and bear in mind this is on top of the sneaky 20% they added to a lot of their products a couple of months ago, which the article misses: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/oct/28/brexit-apple-mac-customers-prices-rise-us-dollar-pound-sterling
I've had an iMac purchase on my list, but since January the iMac, 27in, quad-core 3.3GHz, 2TB fusion drive, AMD Radeon R9 M395 has gone up from £1,849 to £2,249.00. That's a £400 price increase. Which is just taking the piss, as we say in the UK, and my decision to replace my main desktop PC with a Mac is probably now not going to happen.
Not convinced that it's Brexit related. The entry level Pro costs 1999 Euros in the Netherlands, which is 1796 GBP. So even more expensive. Unless they raised the prices here as well due to the Brexit
I was ready to dis the touch bar but looking at it properly I think it's quite good for professionals. It will be useful in editing and other such apps. it also means that touch has finally arrived on the Mac and will only increase hopefully. The Surface studio looks really nice too. But yeah costly.....
I'm waiting the 'Logic Pro X' update since 'Garageband' was just updated.
But at least the new MacBook Pro models retain the 3,5mm jack which in practice would mean it was not 'ready to be removed' completely just yet
I do miss the 'regular sized' USB slot for all the millions of USB-MemorySticks and external drives that need an 'adaptor' to be useable and well, the SDXC slot is still a very handy way to transfer images without the need for yet another 'gadget' to carry around as most cameras have pretty SLOW transfers over USB...
Then again I feel no 'urge' to get a new laptop for now.
I think there's tons of misconceptions and FUD about the new Touch Bar. Reading their interface guidelines makes it much clearer what it's supposed to do and what are its strengths. They specifically say that interfaces designed for it should be optimized for quick actions whose results are immediately reflected on the actual screen. Displaying notifications, or anything that isn't visible on the primary screen is clearly forbidden, and they repeatedly emphasize that it's supposed to be extension of the keyboard, not of the screen.
The only thing that worries me is lack of haptic feedback, which I assume they will add in one of the first updates.
I think it's good they experiment with ideas like that. I've been using my iPad Pro more and more, but I still go back to my old MBP when I need to do some heavy multitasking. On the other hand, whenever I use my Mac I miss all of the touch-screen interaction patterns I got so used to on the iPad. Using laptop with touchscreen is not perfect either, I can only imagine how much of a stress it puts on your arms. TouchBar seems to be a promising idea for having the best of those two worlds.
I personally find it very exciting and I can't wait to see what the likes of Ableton, Propellerheads or Native Instruments will do with it.
Blimey, that is bad. They're using it here as an excuse, at least.
Most of my other business costs have jumped recently so I can't afford their £400 price rise - especially when you factor in peripheral costs as well. I was going to be fully Mac based next year but looks like I'll be trying to keep my old Windows gear clanking along for a bit longer...
Apple have become toys for rich boys again.
i just barely saw the new macbook touch bar. could be cool for timeline scrolling in a daw. Also, could it be used as a midi controller. would be fun to be able to assign a midi cc, and slide your finger across to say; open a filter, or adjust oscillator pitch, or lfo speed. i dont know it it works that way but it would be cool. i have one of these, http://www.vmeter.net/. and it reminded me of that when i first saw it.
If you want to work on a PC...
Yeah, I know. Just curious what the hardware cost comparisons are for same specs.
I'll likely get one of these, but not until after the first soft update. Have learned my lesson about early adoption of new tech. And, Apple is no different.
My current machine will certainly carry me to the first refresh I bet.
I think the touch bar has some potential, but i doubt it will be much use. Also i think esc button should be physical
Have you guys seen the apple patent for e-ink keyboard keys? I was hoping to see a combination of those in addition to the Touch bar.
What's next since macs won't never get a touchscreen? A display on keys? Or on track pad?
Specs don't really mean much if the software is different. Apple computers generally last me 2-3x longer than comparable Windows computers because Apple's tight hardware/software integration tends to be a lot more resource efficient. It's not uncommon for OSX/MacOS updates to make a computer run smoother whereas my experience with Windows is that every update brings your PC closer to the brink of unusability.
Also, Macs tend to get more efficiency out of the same amount of RAM and CPU speed than comparable Windows computers. Anti-flame-disclaimer: this all based on my experience of using both extensively for the kinds of tasks I use my computers for (obviously if you're a gamer, things will look very different. I don't particularly care about graphics performance etc.).
The upfront cost of a Mac may seem a lot higher, but (at least until very recently) they earned themselves back with longevity and frustration-free usage. I just hope that the MacOS era will not break this tradition.
Definitely last longer - we've been through three Windows laptops here in the same time I bought my MacBook Pro, which is as good as new, though you never know if it'll be crippled by a new OS update. Saying that though, it was three times the price...
Wasn't that impressed with the iMac I had though - that turned up with a graphics card issue so had to go back. For two and a half grand I expect the buggers to work.
I like the idea we have seen concepts of this since the 80s,
What worries me is that we don't see all this stuff in the entire lineup.
Touch bar only on 2 models of MacBook Pro
Force touch only on iPhones
True tone display only in 9'7 iPad Pro
I'm not sure if they are sure where they want to go with all of this.
O la la, stiff prices and no true tone display in laptops.
Meh.
Btw. Did they show of what's on the strip if you have many programs open?
Or did I miss it?
I think it probably shows the functions for the app that's in the foreground.
It's true that MacBooks usually last pretty long in comparison to PC notebooks. Mine is still running great and it's from 2009. They won't let me install Sierra, though, but there's not much there that I'm missing.
Pretty damning article from CDM http://cdm.link/2016/10/apples-computer-vision-looks-backward-others-look-forward/ and I get their point. It's baffling why Apple don't allow better integration between Macs and iPads which would add a clear advantage. Also I think I'd prefer the bar at the bottom of the keyboard where your hand usually is, nearer the trackpad and you could then also see the icons more clearly. Then it could be more of a controller.
Agreed. And it should be bigger too. I was just using the trim function in QuickTime the other day and man was it hard to get the selection right even on a 23" screen using the Magic Trackpad. Makes me wonder how well this would actually work on that much smaller space with touch... I think that would be pretty hard to get exactly right. But of course it looks very flashy.
That's good news. Thanks.
It is as if the people appreciate the power of the iPad Pro to be a complete laptop replacement, except it is only Apple that doesn't fully believe it yet.
I wonder if that mode would work in Windows too cause sometimes I have to use win in bootcamp