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OT: Why Tim Cook Is Steve Balmer

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  • Why Tim Webb is Steve Balmer!

  • Apple are doing a good job at pricing their products out of the reach of the average consumer (again). The iMac I was planning to buy has just gone up £400. Regardless of innovation, most of us need a PC for work/play but at these prices Apple's market share will be severely hit.

  • @DaveMagoo said:
    Why Tim Webb is Steve Balmer!

    LMAOFOOTC

  • Heh. I was visiting with a client yesterday and we got to talking about Apple. He is a lawyer and a programmer in a former life, and went on a rather long and entertaining rant about how Apple these days is focusing on eye candy and superficial stuff while taking away or neglecting features and functionality. Apple's planned/forced obsolescence is a major drag for many macOS and iOS users. It's definitely my biggest gripe with them.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    Apple are doing a good job at pricing their products out of the reach of the average consumer (again). The iMac I was planning to buy has just gone up £400. Regardless of innovation, most of us need a PC for work/play but at these prices Apple's market share will be severely hit.

    I was planning to buy a top-of-the-line MacBook Pro, and jump hard into Ableton.

    Now, I will look for refurbished and close outs, even going back to an old model I can upgrade the RAM and add an SSD.

    Or not.

  • I much preferred the Steve Jobs era of Apple. There was always innovation in new devices and apps when Steve Jobs was the boss. Now with Tim Cook Apple have gone sterile and boring and behind in the times. I think it's time for a new CEO.

  • edited October 2016

    @johnfromberkeley said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Apple are doing a good job at pricing their products out of the reach of the average consumer (again). The iMac I was planning to buy has just gone up £400. Regardless of innovation, most of us need a PC for work/play but at these prices Apple's market share will be severely hit.

    I was planning to buy a top-of-the-line MacBook Pro, and jump hard into Ableton.

    Now, I will look for refurbished and close outs, even going back to an old model I can upgrade the RAM and add an SSD.

    Or not.

    I've got a mid-2012 non-retina Macbook Pro which runs Logic really nicely - even with Maschine as a plugin. Good for music making as it has separate mic and headphone sockets, plus loads of USB ports. If it gets too slow I can quadruple the speed with a cheap SSD upgrade, so should last a few more years yet. Recommended if you can find one at a decent price.

  • & you know what happened to Mr Balmer......... A couple of Cock Ups he made........ Then, silently went Bye! Bye!....... IE: politely sacked.......

  • OT: My favorite antiperspirant commercial.

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  • After years of waiting to say Linux is the way forward, I'll have to wait for something like that Chrome OS which can load Android apps and does everything as a web app.

  • edited October 2016

    @u0421793 said:
    After years of waiting to say Linux is the way forward, I'll have to wait for something like that Chrome OS which can load Android apps and does everything as a web app.

    I've been hearing about the "year of the Linux desktop" for more years than I care to remember. Andromeda definitely has potential, but as I've said in other threads, they've got a looong way to go to catch up in the music making department.

  • Apple dominated the tech news cycle yesterday. I thought about posting this to the PC Daw thread, but this seems like a good place.

  • For what it's worth: I've been using Macs since 1987. All my home computers have been Mac, all my music production computers have been Mac. I have reached the limit of my patience with Apple. I'm tired of the pricing, how they fancify the Mac, how they make it impossible to upgrade Mac hardware, with everything glued and soldered, how they remove useful functionality like the Magsafe connector, force people to use adapters and dongles, the non-stop pestering to update the OS. Good. Bye.

    Everything I do now in Ableton and Kontakt can be done just as well on Windows. Since at work I use Windows, I'm quite familiar with it. The transition is going to be fine.

    That Surface Studio looks awesome but the price is too much for me to justify, but there are lots of attractive and competitively priced Lenovos and Dells out there.

  • It's an interesting article and reminds me in some ways of recent studies in the short and long term effects on different types of school headmasters.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    It's an interesting article and reminds me in some ways of recent studies in the short and long term effects on different types of school headmasters.

    And dictators, benign or otherwise.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    It's an interesting article and reminds me in some ways of recent studies in the short and long term effects on different types of school headmasters.

    And dictators, benign or otherwise.

    I won't even get into the areas of waste.......O the politics lol

  • One other thing: I don't blame Tim Cook. I blame Jony Ive. I believe he's the primary source of what goes in, what stays out. Cook is an operations guy. He was never a product visionary.

  • edited October 2016

    So what exactly is the trend that apple is sleeping on?
    3D and augmented reality?
    Meh, this stuff isn't ready for prime time.
    It's just join the blah blah of clickbait, we have nothing to say but it works.

    Lol, I have absolutely no idea what people thought apple would present yesterday.

  • @telecharge said:

    @u0421793 said:
    After years of waiting to say Linux is the way forward, I'll have to wait for something like that Chrome OS which can load Android apps and does everything as a web app.

    I've been hearing about the "year of the Linux desktop" for more years than I care to remember. Andromeda definitely has potential, but as I've said in other threads, they've got a looong way to go to catch up in the music making department.

    Plus the Linux community so insufferably arrogant that it makes Apple fanboys look like Kumbaya-singing hippies.

    I tried signing up to the Arch Linux forum last week to ask a simple question, but it wouldn't let me sign up because their Captcha required doing some totally obscure stuff in an Arch terminal (which I didn't have at hand nor understand well enough). How's that for excluding the biggest part of the planet from joining the Linux party?

    Besides that I've had several occurrences on Ubuntu forums where the general gist of responses to totally valid questions was "if you have to ask you're not ready to know". Urgh. With attitudes like that Linux is never going to become a viable alternative to mainstream OSs.

  • @miguelmarcos said:
    For what it's worth: I've been using Macs since 1987. All my home computers have been Mac, all my music production computers have been Mac. I have reached the limit of my patience with Apple. I'm tired of the pricing, how they fancify the Mac, how they make it impossible to upgrade Mac hardware, with everything glued and soldered, how they remove useful functionality like the Magsafe connector, force people to use adapters and dongles, the non-stop pestering to update the OS. Good. Bye.

    I started on Macs in around 87' but very jealous of Windows friends with COLOUR (wow) systems, that cost half the price of my Mac. Then I'd have to pay £95 for a keyboard, instead of a fiver...

    They're just a very greedy company. Their UK sales will fall through the floor with the new increases.

  • I have to admit one or two things. I haven't actually used a computer at all for anything for the past three months or so. In July we began an ambitious project and I also transacted away all of my Nikon gear (I now have no Nikon camera system) and also a lot of computer gear. I also similarly waved goodbye to a number of my vintage synths (yep, the Mono/Poly and MC-202 amongst them). I wiped and packed up my white Macbook and metal Macbook Pro due to get some transactional value from those.

    The Macbook Pro was my main computer, the one I spent all the time in front of. No longer. Similarly with my iPad 2. In a return transaction, I now have a (not new) large iPad Pro, and keyboard and pencil, (and a not-new Nexus 6P) and was surprised how quickly I took to doing everything on those only.

    However, the ambitious project has been taking all of my time (and I do mean all of it - until I drop, tired, of an evening, not even enough time to have a decent beer). The upside of the project is that we now know how to demolish drywall, put it back up, put tile board up, plastering, scrim, do waterproofing with Mapei tape, do tiling, grouting, tile cutting, I've learned pumbling and how to use a blowtorch to make up copper pipe work, the electrical work is not a problem due to prior work knowledge, fitting everthing in, painting, cutting mitres manually by eye into new skirting boards, scotia etc, and a lot more.

    So, no music, nothing to do with tech. Shedding possessions has been a truly liberating feeling. I keep looking at gear and thinking, I don't really need any of it. Although, I did seem to end up with a used Circuit too, which I'm only now getting round to learning how to use.

  • edited October 2016

    @u0421793 said:

    However, the ambitious project has been taking all of my time (and I do mean all of it - until I drop, tired, of an evening, not even enough time to have a decent beer). The upside of the project is that we now know how to demolish drywall, put it back up, put tile board up, plastering, scrim, do waterproofing with Mapei tape, do tiling, grouting, tile cutting, I've learned pumbling and how to use a blowtorch to make up copper pipe work, the electrical work is not a problem due to prior work knowledge, fitting everthing in, painting, cutting mitres manually by eye into new skirting boards, scotia etc, and a lot more.

    I've been selling off stuff (waiting for a punter to turn up at the mo) and clearing out too - we're hoping to move house in a couple of weeks. The new place needs a bit of work (new kitchen, bathroom etc.) so pop round if you're free, there's a couple of beers in it.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @u0421793 said:

    However, the ambitious project has been taking all of my time (and I do mean all of it - until I drop, tired, of an evening, not even enough time to have a decent beer). The upside of the project is that we now know how to demolish drywall, put it back up, put tile board up, plastering, scrim, do waterproofing with Mapei tape, do tiling, grouting, tile cutting, I've learned pumbling and how to use a blowtorch to make up copper pipe work, the electrical work is not a problem due to prior work knowledge, fitting everthing in, painting, cutting mitres manually by eye into new skirting boards, scotia etc, and a lot more.

    I've been selling off stuff (waiting for a punter to turn up at the mo) and clearing out too - we're hoping to move house in a couple of weeks. The new place needs a bit of work (new kitchen, bathroom etc.) so pop round if you're free, there's a couple of beers in it.

    Where are you (in relation to East London, public transport)?

  • I think the article mentions it in passing - people are expecting screens to be touch screens. Touch screen phones, iPads etc, Sony Vita, 3ds, even some white goods are making the touch screen 'the norm'. Apple can either innovate in this direction or be left as the high price computers that many forget.

  • If it wasn't for the competitions self combusting phones, Apples sales figures would have been totally ghoulish (forgive the added season-ing)

  • @u0421793 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @u0421793 said:

    However, the ambitious project has been taking all of my time (and I do mean all of it - until I drop, tired, of an evening, not even enough time to have a decent beer). The upside of the project is that we now know how to demolish drywall, put it back up, put tile board up, plastering, scrim, do waterproofing with Mapei tape, do tiling, grouting, tile cutting, I've learned pumbling and how to use a blowtorch to make up copper pipe work, the electrical work is not a problem due to prior work knowledge, fitting everthing in, painting, cutting mitres manually by eye into new skirting boards, scotia etc, and a lot more.

    I've been selling off stuff (waiting for a punter to turn up at the mo) and clearing out too - we're hoping to move house in a couple of weeks. The new place needs a bit of work (new kitchen, bathroom etc.) so pop round if you're free, there's a couple of beers in it.

    Where are you (in relation to East London, public transport)?

    Middle of Wales - busses once a week and random train timetables (sometimes they don't bother to turn up). I know a bloke with a tractor though!

  • ...

    haha. i sent the same article to my friend the other day so we could both have a hearty laugh at clickbait comparing the most ridiculous failure of a CEO in history to a progressive tech god who humbly gifts the world with the best computers money can buy with a warm and welcoming smile on his face.

    but i realize a lot of y'all are from those parts of the world that ain't America so you might have a different perspective. Ballmer is a laughing stock over here; Cook is worshipped as the savior of all technology

  • Unfairly.

    Truth is, people remembers Balmer for the Surface write-downs and the temper tantrums, but all to conveniently forget that the Surface - and the whole "Devices and Services" shift - was his strategy, his vision. This is another classic example of someone sowing the seeds just to have another reaping the crop. Now Microsoft became cool again, and it's easy to give all the credit to Nadella, whose merit was, actually, not messing with a long-term winning strategy.

    Balmer wasn't ousted: he retired. Satay Nadella was from his "political wing", as a manner of speech. Nadella is continuity, not change, but he has some charisma and at least some good will from the media, because Microsoft is the underdog now, and also because Nadella isn't the man who crushed Netscape (Internet Explorer was a better browser at the time: sorry, folks), put windows PCs in almost every US home and create the software licensing system standard that we all love and hate (good old Bill wanted to sell the software with the then-IBM PCs: had he prevailed, Wintel perhaps wouldn't have been what he was).

    I remember a tech blog trying to paint Balmer as a failure with a popularity rating graph: what a joke: what makes a CEO successful isn't how much he is loved, but how much he increased the company's revenue.

    Fact is, don't give too much credit to tech media: most professionals there are Linux-to-Mac converts that thus have twice the pretext to vomit vitriol on the man that that is in fact one of the most successful tech industry CEOs of all history by the only stats that matter: profits!

    TLDR: Balmer wasn't likable at all and had some trouble at the end of his tenure, but his overall result as M$ main man is definitely a win.

  • He looks good in a jersey, too.

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