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What is the best multichannel interface for Auria?

Already asked in Auria Audio Interfaces Forum, but will post here nonetheless in the hopes of getting more feedback on the subject. Perhaps I'll post it in Gearslutz as well, but I doubt they know jack about Auria. Here is the question:

Which is the best multichannel interface with pro-grade quality I can currently buy for an Auria-centric recording studio? Yes, I know, iOS seems to limit us to 24-channels but that ceiling will do for now. I'm focusing on quality, pro-level quality. Unfortunately Apogee went all-in Thunderbolt, so the best USB options are the Duet (which I already have) and the Quartet (which tops four inputs, when I need at least twice to begin with).

For example: is there a way for using the six additional dIgital inputs of the Quartet for recording six more simultaneous separate mics in Auria, if I have an appropriate A/D with an optical out?

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  • I presume you've seen the list on the WaveMachneLabs site:

    http://auriaapp.com/Support/auria-audio-interfaces

  • Is price a consideration?

  • That's what I was going to ask, how much do you want to spend? "Best" when you're talking about audio interfaces can mean over $3000 in some cases.

  • any quality interface with Adat IO will do - then add an Audient ASP800
    https://audient.com/products/mic-pres/asp800/asp800-overview/
    Basically you don't need bidirectional Adat to connect inputs, but it's more flexible regarding digital sync in case the system is modified later.
    The price of the ASP is ridiculously low for it's quality and the first 2 channels have very nice extra options for vintage/transformer based sound.
    I know the 'regular' other 6 preamps from the Audient ID22, they are are a full class above the iConnectAudio4+

  • @nrgb said:
    Is price a consideration?

    @Tarekith said:
    That's what I was going to ask, how much do you want to spend? "Best" when you're talking about audio interfaces can mean over $3000 in some cases.

    I really want to know the best, no compromises besides iOS constraints. The requisite is not needing a computer to set it up.

  • @Telefunky said:
    any quality interface with Adat IO will do - then add an Audient ASP800
    https://audient.com/products/mic-pres/asp800/asp800-overview/
    Basically you don't need bidirectional Adat to connect inputs, but it's more flexible regarding digital sync in case the system is modified later.
    The price of the ASP is ridiculously low for it's quality and the first 2 channels have very nice extra options for vintage/transformer based sound.
    I know the 'regular' other 6 preamps from the Audient ID22, they are are a full class above the iConnectAudio4+

    Thank you, and interesting advice. But is the Audient on pair with Apogee or Avid gear? I already have a Duet, so as I said above, I don't want the best for the price - I just decided Auria can power a Pro studio and I am willing to invest what's needed to settle for the very best iOS can handle.

  • edited November 2016

    good example, the Prism is certainly a superior device... but you'll have an extremely hard time to tell it from either an Apogee or Audient ;)
    Minimum requirement is a proper acoustic space + top monitors, otherwise a comparison doesn't make sense.
    For my taste the Audient preamps cut it better than UAD/RME, but I lack reliable material for Apogee, who use a THAT chipset.
    I recently opened my ID22 just to peek what's in there - great design, very robust and they spent an extra amount on clean supply power.

    I mentioned the pricetag because it may be irritating (about 100 bucks per channel), but it delivers way more.
    For me it's only a subtle difference to recordings with a Telefunken V676, which is obvious for the transformerless stages of the ID22.

  • Oh man, that looks nice. As long as it's rock solid, that's a real winner.

  • The Prism needs a computer to set it up according to the Auria Interfaces list: deal breaker, unfortunately.

  • Is there anything at the same class that I can control without anything but the iPad?

  • I vote for RME. I own a Babyface and the RME drivers are by far the best of all audio interfaces I've ever used. That goes for the Windows and the Mac drivers as well as the way they implemented class compliancy.

    Also, their TotalMix software is available as an iPad app as well. Never had a single problem with it ever.

    The preamps shouldn't matter. If price is not so important you will surely have an extra USD/EUR/? 2000 for a decent one. ;-)

  • What about a Zen Studio?

  • Sad: the Titan would be the way to go if it wasn't for the need of using a PC/Mac to set it up.

  • Steinberg UR824 might be an option.

  • Are you sure you need to "set anything up" though? If all you need is an interface for recording multiple tracks, it'll likely be fine right out of the box for that.

  • What about gain staging, @Tarekith?

  • according to the Prism Sound website the control panel software looks similiar to the one Audient uses for the ID22.
    Titan is class compliant, Prism explicitely mentions iPad (which Audient doesn't).
    Yet the ID22 works great under IOS, all channels are exposed.
    If you monitor everything through software anyway, there's no need for extra configuration.
    The latter is mostly useful for dedicated monitor submixes and live tracking of acoustic performances.
    Prism also offers some digital extras regarding clock and conversion.
    If it fits your budget (such gear is a kind of lifetime investment) I'd go for it.
    You may add a small system as a configuration controller anytime, no (CPU) power needed.

  • I'm on the fence between the Zen Studio (Antelope) vs the Prism. Is the latter definitely superior than the former? I want to have my studio up and running by Q2 2017, and obviously it will have a large, properly treated room, and professional monitoring. But I want the iPad being its "brain".

  • edited November 2016

    in that case it's not a problem: the Mac/PC is only needed for configuration.
    Plug it in, recall a saved state that fits the current project (or do whatever's required), then the iPad takes over again.
    I've done that a couple of times with the ID22 but eventually gave up on the procedure because the monitoring advantage wasn't worth the effort for my humble use.
    In a professional studio setup that's a different story, the direct monitoring feature is nice for acoustic takes.

  • edited November 2016

    But the whole idea is not having a PC/Mac inside my studio, @Telefunky. Only an iPad Pro! I'm aiming for a professional studio - no compromises other than it be controlled by solely only one iPad Pro! :)

  • Perhaps the best option is aim for an interface with lots of optical digital inputs and buy a separate A/D converter with optical digital outputs. It then raises the following questions:

    1) Will Auria Pro be able to see and record simultaneously from the digital inputs?

    2) Which A/D converter (preferentially with mic pre amps per channel) should I buy?

  • It's core audio compliant, all the channels should be normaled like you'd need for multi track routing already. IE the inputs don't have any gain or volume reduction happening, it's straight to Auria or Cubasis or whatever you want to use as a DAW. If you need more configurability than that, I think you're going to have a lot of issues doing it all from just an iOS device.

  • Thank you! So I am almost decided for the Prism!

  • Did you check out the RME line of sound cards?

  • no need to bother... in audio terms they are definitely sub Prism
    RME rules in Windows driver software, but that doesn't matter here at all... since even a configuration notebook residing in a drawer 99% of the time is refused
    (sorry that I didn't realize that degree of consequence immediately) :D

  • edited November 2016

    @theconnactic doesn't the quartet have an adat port? In that case get an 8 channel adat preamp (presents, focusrite, etc). They sound great, "Pro" will be determined by the operator. In this case, since you mentioned the word gain staging, I'm assuming it will be in good hands.

    Edit : it does have an adat, but the quartet has to be master clock so look for an adat preamp with word clock io. That rules out some of the less expensive ones that only have an adat out and therefore must be the master. I know the original digimax with the big power supply had adat in and out, possibly word clock as well because it could definitely slave.

  • @mrufino1 said:
    Edit : it does have an adat, but the quartet has to be master clock so look for an adat preamp with word clock io. That rules out some of the less expensive ones that only have an adat out and therefore must be the master. I know the original digimax with the big power supply had adat in and out, possibly word clock as well because it could definitely slave.

    Thank you for the recommendation and heads up, @mrufino1 . I was almost biting the Prism bullet, but I'd love to keep working with made for iPad gear if possible. I still consider buying the Prism for its stellar reviews, but I'll definitely consider upgrading to a Quartet and get a great 8 channel pre-amp with word clock as an alternative. I read the Quartet's A/D converters are exactly the same as the Symphony's, so It might not be that bad compared to the Prism as far as A/D is concerned. Right, @tarekith?

  • @theconnactic said:

    @mrufino1 said:
    Edit : it does have an adat, but the quartet has to be master clock so look for an adat preamp with word clock io. That rules out some of the less expensive ones that only have an adat out and therefore must be the master. I know the original digimax with the big power supply had adat in and out, possibly word clock as well because it could definitely slave.

    Thank you for the recommendation and heads up, @mrufino1 . I was almost biting the Prism bullet, but I'd love to keep working with made for iPad gear if possible. I still consider buying the Prism for its stellar reviews, but I'll definitely consider upgrading to a Quartet and get a great 8 channel pre-amp with word clock as an alternative. I read the Quartet's A/D converters are exactly the same as the Symphony's, so It might not be that bad compared to the Prism as far as A/D is concerned. Right, @tarekith?

    I misread your original post and took it to mean you already owned the quartet, which is why I was surprised that you didn't know it had an data port. Seeing as how you don't already own it, it now makes sense! I'm going to guess that you wouldn't be at all disappointed with it though. I had the apogee one in the past and it did sound good.

  • @theconnactic said: I read the Quartet's A/D converters are exactly the same as the Symphony's, so It might not be that bad compared to the Prism as far as A/D is concerned. Right, @tarekith?

    I've never used either of those (rocking a Lynx Hilo myself) but I'd imagine you're talking absolutely tiny differences between the two. Hard to go wrong with either IMO.

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