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iTunes import / export (rant)
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How many times do we need to say it. Most people here dislike iTunes import / export as the only option for synths or any apps.
I will now from this moment never buy another app that only has this option for import / export. I'm fed up with the excuses and fed up with the lack of options, so now I will put my money where my mouth is.
No more! Grrrr As far as I'm concerned all devs that do this can be put on a mother feckin plane with some mother feckin snakes!
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You are 100% right. I'll do the same.
Yes. And as an aside, sometimes a movie can be so outrageously bad that it moves forever. I've not seen it, but you still hear that phrase on occasion. Good for them! I am a little disappointed that mace windu was on a plane with snakes, but what can you do?
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What's your preferred option?
Tell Apple not to make it such a pain to implement anything else.
"Open with"/"Open In" isn't even possible from an AU (insta-crash). So in order to make it work in Phasemaker I had to jump through incredibly painful hoops with Apple's already impossible-to-manage filesystem to synchronize the presets with a secondary file-system in the container app (Which is technically a different, sandboxed app). I'd rather spend the development time making something that sounds awesome which you'll use all the time than on something that some users may use twice per year.
But that's just the dev point of view, obviously. You can only spend an hour once, and you'll have to balance the value you're getting out of what to spend that hour on.
The iOS-Filepicker/DocumentPicker or 'iOS Share Sheet' should be considered as 'standard' over iTunes filesharing.
(I really wish Apple would let iOS publish all iTunes Shared folders regardless of apps and make them automagically accesible using the Document Picker').
iOS-DocumentPicker for import/export when possible and 'Share Sheet/Open In...' for export. Apps should when possibe be able to import by sending files to them using 'Open In...'.
As for 'Plug-Ins' the only currently working method would be to do import/export using the Stand-Alone apps untill Apple wakes up...
iFunbox is what I've been using to manage large file transfers. I think Doug from the Sound Test Room recommended it a while back. It gets the job done a bit easier than messing with iTunes nonsense, and supports drag and drop as opposed to "save to."
Interesting to know. Anytime I come across an app that uses "open with'" I feel like I've struck gold. Makes sense knowing what you just stated as to why it's not more widely used. Is that the primary protocol for importing / sharing presets across iOS apps? Like, say for instance there was an online database of user-contributed presets for Ruismaker and Phasemaker that would allow users to share and download presets. How would that best be handled? I think of all the users on this site, coupled with all of the amazing apps out there, and imagine a pretty heavily stocked location where presets could be openly shared in one central place. But nothing like that seems to be out there save for a few apps. Is preset sharing a hurdle to account for when developing an app? Sorry for the diatribe. Just genuinely curious why this aspect seems somewhat vacant in the iOS music world vs the desktop PC world.
I really wish Apple would let iOS publish all iTunes Shared folders regardless of apps and make them automagically accesible using the Document Picker').
^ This.
But even that is made really hard by Apple, because plugins can't access the file system of their stand-alone app. So we have to implement our own method for transferring files to the stand alone app and keep both file systems synchronized (if you want to support both import and export).
It's worth considering something like that, implemented in an easy-to-integrate SDK. Maybe something to ponder during the holidays ;-) Another thing is to think of a standardized preset file format for iOS (like .FXP for VST).
But as far as I can tell, it would not be possible directly from a plugin's UI. I tried doing the preset export directly from the Phasemaker plugin UI (so you could import/export presets while in Cubasis, Auria, AUM, etc.) but iOS just barfs and kicks the Extension out thinking it's blocking the system. So then I had to move the functionality to the container app and let it sync with the plugin.
So for apps that are built as standalone apps (e.g. IAA/Audiobus only, but not AU) it may be a bit easier to accomplish.
I've understood that...
Maybe it's time to lift the issues via the Garageband team as they are most likely the people at Apple who see the needs more than other departments who seem to be spellbound by 'The Cloud'?
I personally don't see any 'security issues' with locally publising 'shared' documents on the device only accesible on the device as long as the user has options to control which apps 'publish' the files...
It's really insane that Apple should be held responsible if a user grants unknown apps access to the files...(But I guess that's the result of the 'you can sue any one for any reason' mentality).
See Samu reply for my thoughts too. Pretty much any option that does not involve the need for a computer to make saves.
@brambos I understand there may be issues in some scenarios, but to state that such a feature would probably be used very little is unlikely to be true.
I did a pole on here recently asking if people actually program their iOS synths. A surprisingly high proportion do. I personally back up my new patches often on those apps that allow it. Good practice. Crafting presets is very time consuming, but ultimately rewarding. Losing presets sucks. iTunes use at best ruins the creative flow and at worst is not an option for some.
Preset sharing also promotes the app in question. The DX7 was only as popular as it was due to the thousands of sounds made for it. Same with iOS synths. Many just don't want to program, but love some programmed sounds.
Now I'm aware there are some issues to implement, yet it is obviously possible. But, consider myself aware it may not be as simple as said. Yet, to myself and many others, it is an extremely important feature. A feature that if implemented in all apps would make a world of difference in iOS ease of use.
So, personally I have just had enough of apps being released without this feature and am now prepared to put my money where my mouth is. I am also prepared to put 'pen to paper' as suggested by @brambos and contact Apple too
There is also a great benefit of the stand alone / Au combined apps approach for the sound 'programmer'. I know those that tweak presets often want the AU to be primary for saving, but for those of us that program banks of sounds, the stand alone app is where we mostly work.
Would it be possible for a 'hub' app like audiobus or audioshare to act as a server and other apps stream their app data files as well as audio / midi to / from it, rather than 'officially' share in the expected way?
Always happy to hear/learn from the experts as on iOS there are as many workflows as there are users
I am definitely no expert, but iOS is undoubtedly home to some very creative people and with that comes new ways of working. Yet, we as iOS users are continually reminded how our devices are seen as 'toys' or something not to be taken seriously in music making. While I mostly could not care less what people think, I can see that promoting features where iOS can do what laptops / PCs do without need for them to be linked, is advantageous in the promotion of iOS.
I agree 100%. There are some brilliants apps, which I won't bother naming 'cause everyone interested already knows, which have developers who either willfully ignore the crapness of iTunes, or place offering an alternative very low on their list of priorities.
@brambos unable to reply to your message reply at the moment. Seems there is some technical issues happening
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Yep this too. Email backup of sounds and banks is what I use most. Easy to send to where you want to save them.
Try sending your reply through iTunes
For me it would be through document picker, so I have lots of available destinations, Dropbox, iCloud, etc.....
There is a wider issue here....Backup in general....iTunes no longer backs up apps, and I guess that means it doesn't backup files from the apps sandbox....so how do we now make a full backup of our iPad with all apps and user files ?
Anyone got any suggestions ?
What if there were a way of bittorrenting within the device from one app to another?
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