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Dhalang Microtonal Groovebox (Update 2.1)
New:
Matrix state machine (similar to vector's but without interpolation).
Fixed:Sampler memory insert crash fixed.
- Mixer solo/mute combinations fixed.
- Midi sync fixed and tested to work (on 64 ppqn)
Variable slide value reset at centre, slight changes at corners.
Tweaks:Sample auto segmentation threshold on db scale,
- Delayed scroll buttons on sequencer navigation.
- Various UI tweaks.
All core features are now in the software and tested working. Future updates
will be mostly about fixing and tweaking existing stuff and adding more
modulation/automation targets and sources.
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Thx !
Can't wait to get to a place with decent wifi, update, and dig in.
Osx as well? thank you!
Also mac version price dropped to ios price.
thank you!. I'm only at v. 1.8 here on my mac...
I like having both the OSX and iOS versions.
1.8 mac is the same as 2.0 ios. there has been little more updates for the ios version and in appstore the version digit has to be always one above previous one, so that's the reason for version number mismatches between platforms.
I take it there is no way to send individual channels into Audiobus in the way apps like Loopy, Patterning and Different Drummer do? I'm looking for things I can use my KMI K-Mix multi outs with.
thanks!
Multiout mode for ios/mac is on the worklist. Currently stereo output only.
Just started watching vids on Youtube. This thing is completely amazing! I don't know how you keep the integration but what a beautiful system! I cannot wait to see what's ahead. And thanks for helping to make the dark times (of late) a little brighter!!!
Update... with new color schemes
@Hypertonal could you elaborate on the new 28 channel update to add multichannel AudioUnit output, autoglide support, etc.?
Update 2.1:
New:
_- Multi-output mode as multi-channel AudioUnit (28 channels: 19 mono instruments, 4 stereo busses and mono utility). _
Tested to fully work only on osx version, and the same core audio code should work on iOS too but I haven't figured yet how multi-channel audio practically works on iOS - If it's dozens of AudioUnits as individual ports it is unreasonable to have 28 AudioUnits (= callback threads) in a single program, If it is single AudioUnit with 28 channels like in osx - it's going to work - on something that supports this. I tested it on audiobus and AUM and could not find out how to get multi-channel output from it... Maybe someone more familiar with this area could shed some light.
_- Mono AG (auto-glide) mode for piano roll tracks.
When piano roll track is on monoAG mode, it functions like an analog voltage-controlled monophonic keyboard where the frequency returns to any highest key hold, when releasing the latest key pressed. This allows to record monophonic-analog-style synth playing and then playing it back from sequencer 1:1. This was previously only possible to play with midi/touch input and not from piano roll playback. In monoAG mode the sequencer can only play analog and physical synths. In analog synth there is now an AG trigger mode to either have or not have envelope triggering when auto-gliding to hold notes.
_- FM modulation parameters real-time change for analog and additive synth. _
This was a little weird request, but yeah it's fun for really strange morphing sounds...
- C-Copy mode for piano roll overview: Copy also control automation related to selected track.
Now one doesn't have to anymore find track automation from control and copy it by hand to right places in relation to track notation. When C-Copy toggled on from piano roll overview, all control tracks related to the piano roll track's target instrument are copied also and naturally to the same place.
- Vector returner and pattern position reset synced to instant State change.
I think this is fundamental for state machine in Instant mode, so that patterns and returner notes sync also instantly to state change and not after played the concurrent round/phrase. Might be also an on/off switch for this feature...
_- Project picture loading fixed. _
I fixed this so that project picture saved in osx version is visible when opened in ios version too. might have been hidden also when loading in osx version...
but now is working. For next version I try to get ios picture import feature into it.
@Hypertonal thx! If you could figure out the 28 channel AudioUnit function for iOS, that would be epic. Reach out to AUM's @j_liljedahl for insight on this. I bet he'd have very valuable feedback.
I kinda get the audio-glide stuff, played with it last night some. Would love to see another demo video highlighting the new features.
If I were to try out the multi-channel AudioUnit stuff using the OSX version and feeding into Logic, how would that be set up? Tried setting up a project with software instrument as input. Alchemy shows as well as AU Generators/Instruments, but only the Apple AUs. I don't see Dhalang MG AUs listed. I'm likely not doing t his right though. If you don't have Logic or have any idea, that's fine. It's likely way out of my expertise level at the moment anyway.
To overly simplify and to give my shallow example of use; Autoglide is used for synth 'fretting' to play fast arpeggions easily by hand, Really cool with physical synths playing electric guitar -like patches... if you're into that sort of stuff.. Also it can be used like a very precise pitch bend with a slight portamento on the patch.
Dhalang MG appears as multi-channel AudioUnit in Core Audio subsystem, not AU Plugin - so It can't be loaded as a plugin to another core audio program (until the GUI is completely rewritten to suit AU plugin definition - and I am not very eager to do that...) But different AudioUnits can be connected to each other to send audio channels. This is actually a standard feature in OSX but there is currently no official/standard program/tool to do this routing from software to software in any way (weird?) But there are 3rd party tools to do this:
There is the free (and currently somewhat legacy) program Soundflower that does this and another one is the commercial Loopback. Both are developed by Rogue Amoeba. I tested Dhalang with both of them with Logic and both worked perfectly. Soundflower is little limited on channels and not-that-stable according buffering. Loopback is a bit pricy (at least for ios app shopper) but works great on the job with unlimited channels (I think). Anyways, they both work good. One OSX user got Dhalang working with Ableton with both of them.
So, in order to get the multi-channel output of the OSX Dhalang MG install fed into Logic tracks, I have to use an intermediate app like Loopback or Soundflower? Other than that, I can just render them out separately and bring them into Logic manually? Is that right? Or is there some other configuration where I could go direct?
Also, I got the recent Abelton Lite they were offering if you'd bought other apps, etc. Are you saying that even with Abelton I'd need some intermediate app to bridge the channel feeds from Dhalang into separate DAW tracks in Logic or Abelton?
Yes, that is the case in both. I think the main use for multi-channel output is for connecting dhalang outputs to some external hardware mixer and so forth. I think (for me) it's more easier to render stuff out stereo or multi and then import to Logic/Ableton/etc .
I started to develop Dhalang primarily as a cross-platform software that can be run in mac/linux/windows/ios/android/etc and because of that it's not possible to fit the very platform-free low level OpenGL gui (in theory Dhalang could run on modern car panel/computer or smart tv or playstation or whatever..) into very high level and narrow definition that AU plugins requires. Think Dhalang almost as another operating system running aside iOS. Main reasons for this were to get as high as possible performance from any device and to have a complete affordable music system, without a need for any other plugins or programs, especially for third world countries and to users with financial constraints.
There might be some solutions to get it as vsti but this is again very unexplored field.
Holy update, batman.
@skiphunt I don't have the desktop version... but wondering if Dhalang shows up as An AU Instrument or Effect in Hosting Au Microdaw - if you get to try it out, would be appreciated. It's free and only a 600kb download: http://ju-x.com/hostingau.html
Might be interesting running on an AppleTV
I downloaded this app and tried it. Not sure how it works, but I don't see the AU output of Dahlang showing up. However, I DO see Hosting AU showing up as selectable within Dahlang's settings as an output target. So, I'm not sure it if works or not. I went through all the possible input options for Hosting AU but I didn't see any obvious Dahlang output channels to select. I had a test Vector and Particle sequence running with an analog target for each so that there was definitely some output coming out of my Dahlang MG OSX install.
Okay... so unless Hosting Au wasn't "looking" in the right location. Does Dhalang desktop have a .au or .component? I may be confused by the lingo, sorry bout that. I'd love to pick it up, but I"m afraid it would be "divorce-ware" if I did so
For the audio routing... again, I may be confused here, but you can use multiple IAC Driver Busses to get all the multi-channel routing you want. I did a post a few days ago that I linked to here in the "tips and tricks" section, might be helpful, or not. I've not had any luck with SoundFlower... I install it, and it says it's not installed whenever I try to run it. I do like the Rogue Amoeba stuff, but once I figured out how the Mac does audio routing, I didn't find any need for it.
You can send MIDI to Hosting Au... is that what the Dhalang Output you mention sends, or was that audio? Up in the menu of Hosting Au is a bunch of other options "Lazy key" is good for testing MIDI. Studiomux shows up in Hosting Au as well, if ya have that etc.
@Ocsprey I'm not the best person to ask. I'm rather a novice in this area for sure. I'll take another look later. My gut tells me it's possible, but maybe @Hypertonal can confirm. He appears to have an OSX system for testing and the Hosting AU seems easy enough to download and try.
Thanks so much for giving it a whirl - such a rare thing these days, and a memorable experience, cheers!
No worries. I was curious myself. Just tried again. I'm not seeing it show up. What I was seeing was Hosting AU showing up as an output target for MIDI I/O. I'm not sure where you control or direct the multi-channels from within Dhalang. Going to have to defer to @Hypertonal on this, due to my lack of expertise.
Darn... just looked and there's a Lite version... but MIDI connectivity is the limitation, doh! Yeah, hopefully @Hypertonal will fill in some more blanks ~
To be clear about the osx routing; there is no .au or .component file, only the executable of dhalang - and as far as I know, only way to connect it to daw like logic/ableton is to have osx default output as some audio hub like soundflower or loopback, before starting dhalang in multi output mode. And selecting the same hub soundflower/loopback/something as the input driver in logic/ableton will route the dhalang output channels into logic/ableton audio inputs. So it wont show up as AU plugin in any program lists because it is not an AU plugin - It is independent program that connects as a multi-channel AudioUnit to Core Audio subsystem (Apple's audio system in both iOS and OSX, that handles all audio processes as network of AudioUnits and hardware ports - and as far as I know, Logic is a collection of AudioUnits itself - and AudioUnit plugins.) Maybe I should use another term to avoid confusion.
@Hypertonal How do you "start Dhalang in multi output mode"? I don't see anything within the settings related or specified as "multi-channel".
If you have the latest version (2.0 on mac, 2.1 on ios) there should be stereo/multi selection next to sample rate selection