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Ideas for producing 'bowing' midi notes
Inspired by @brice 's latest YouTube video showing FingerFiddle, I'm wondering if there would be any way to send in midi note messages to Gadget that emulate someone bowing notes as you would a cello or violin.
It doesn't have to sound super realistic. I'm just thinking that control of the length of notes, pitch bend and some vibrato - plus some control of volume might sort of work.
Any ideas? Any any ideas for the best tools for the job?
ThumbJam? Ondes?
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You meant Orphion ? Perhaps Geosynth or Synthecaster , They are very expressives ...
Thanks. I meant Ondes actually. By the same dev as Chordian.
Orphion is cool but it's more plucks and percussive noises I think.
I'm after long bowed sounds. Emulating a cello. As midi.
I might try dusting Synthcaster off. Forgot about that.
You could use ThumbJam: set vibrato or tremolo to be controlled by "shake" in Edit -> Controls ... very expressive.
The app includes a sampled cello as well - sounds great.
Thanks. I'm just not sure I can send the vibrato out to Gadget from Thumjam.
Please tell me that Ondes can do this.
I love all of Olympia Noises apps with the exception of this one. I would like to find some use for Ondes.
I guess you would need to use legato notes with a synth sound with portamento on it to smooth the note changes.
An LFO modulating the filter by a small amount for the bowed type sound, control the attack of the envelope and speed of the LFO from velocity ? Then if you've got a second LFO use this on the pitch for vibrato, controlled bt the mod wheel.
Something with aftertouch, perhaps?
I think Gadget (as well as the midi input app or device; there are a few) would have to support MPE before this would be possible. Hopefully, this update to midi is able to gain enough traction to make it an inevitability, but it will be a while.
Thanks very much.
This is very useful. Gives me something to aim for.
Pheonix in Gadget would allow for all of that I think. All addressable as midi ccs.
The thing would be to figure out the playing surface. Possibly TC-Data. I'd really like to bow back and forward ideally. TC data might allow for that - possibly.
Hey Matt, I don't think this is the result you are after, but I just MIDI'd up Ondes to control Lexington and it was kind of badass to be honest. Cranked up the portamento time in Lexington and it helped emphasize the gliding between notes. Also, vertical movement in Ondes apparently controls the vibrato of Lexington by default, so that adds another level of expressiveness. The problem is that it seems to be mildly snapping notes so you get this sort of weird jump between them. Even with snapping turned off in Ondes it still seems to happen. It's not terrible, but not completely fluid either. Might take some further tweaking to see if it can be mitigated. I know it doesn't fit the request for a horizontally controlled bow-like control, but it does offer an interesting way to play Gadgets. Let me know if you find something that works as you described. I'd love to check it out!
What about an iOS controller that allows you to use the accelerometer, you would actually be bowing then
, well in your mind you would because you know what you are doing, onlookers may draw different conclusions though 
That's cool. I remember achieving something similar once in Berlin with Thumbjam in pitch slide mode. But yes, it kind of snaps to notes at points. I think the legato switch helped with that (can't remember if Lexington has that). And overlapping notes in the midi. I got a kind of cool Theromin thing going.
Thumbjam, the gift that keeps giving. It will send X axis, Y axis, tilt and shake out via MIDI as CCs or pitchbend. First set that all up how you like with an internal patch (might as well start with "Cello"). It wont those controls unless you've got them mapped to the currently active patch. Then, tell TJ to send that stuff via MIDI: Settings->MIDI Control->MIDI output options.
Most will send CCs but whatever you have assigned to Vibrato will be sent as pitch bend messages, depending on the range you've set and how hard you shake it.
Try this (attached):
Thanks. Will try this.
I seem to remember it will only send cc10 (for pan) out on the y axis. Notes on the x axis.
I haven't managed to get it to send anything else out as ccs. But I'll try again.