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Recording work flow?
I have been recording my iPad in the traditional method, out of iPad via 1/8th inch into interface, into daw. I really want to do more all in the iPad. What is your preferred work flow for achieving that?
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Use an iPad DAW?
For my mad stuff I start off with bunch of synth, manglers and drum apps hooked up through Aum, recorded as a live jam. I'll do a few takes of these, then if I'm feeling bothered I'll import them into Auria on separate tracks and fade them in and out - picking out the best (or worse) bits. If it's still lacking I might overdub a couple more tracks of things - sometimes another rhythm element, silly sample or lead line into Auria, and then upload it onto the PC for trimming and mp3-ing in SoundForge.
Recently i have been loading stuff into AUM, just like @monzopro , and then recording a live performance or seqenced playback in there buy sending all the AUM tracks to a bus track and recording the bus track.......Once I've got a performance and recording I'm happy with I export to the Audio Mastering app and then use that for mastering/maximising/triming/mp3 ing
If you are playing everything live rather than sequencing or loop triggering, you can record a track at a time...as long as you have a defined structure for your tune that you are following, then as you record each track, load the recording into a fileplayer in AUM and then have that play back on your next pass of recording your next instrument.
Sweet, I will spend some time working in AUM, looks pretty deep. I usually just play everything live, tweaking knobs and such.
IMHO using AUM in this manner just adds extra steps if your have Auria Pro or Cubasis just record directly into it just like you do on your desktop DAW. Basically same workflow record
tracks one at a time arrange and mix.
For one take jams AUM can't be beat but if I know I need to precisely record and arrange instruments/vocals then I use a DAW.
Thanks Hacked, I do not have Auria, but I have been looking to get it.
If you're prepared to put a little time into learning Auria you should definitely be able to get great results, and in terms of features it's very close to the desktop experience. It has lots of really useful stuff in it, such as audio warping, mixer routing, a great channel strip, and some amazing plugins.
For me the only things it lacks are an arrangement track and track grouping/comping.
There's also Cubasis, but it lags way behind in terms of features but is easier to learn and set up.
Pffft. I don't know why you AP devotees constantly berate the competition. Cubasis is plenty capable for any musician to record and mix with. Auria may have more knobs but that doesn't necessarily make it better.
Oh dear
Another vote for Auria. Much better working in there and exporting your work versus recording via the headphone out. Big difference in audio quality IMO.
If all you want to do is record a live performance then AUM is definitely the way to go, far more light weight than either Cubasis or auria, both of those take up about 1 gb of disk space alone, which can be irritating especially on a device with limited space.
If you want to mess with arrangement after recording then yes either of those will do the job.
About my workflow...
One is the AUM approach described but mainly used to live performing. If I record then edit in AudioShare and export to garageband. I use gb due live loops feature (similar to ableton session view) and I don't use this for live gigging since it hasn't midi control option. I was messing with modstep to achieve this (and have the flexibility of AUM in midi terms) but the sampler was made with one shot sampling in mind so not easy to fit timestretching and loops. Other option is add loopyhd as loop sampler but it's too many go and back...
Finally I found Group the Loop app which seems fits my workflow (or one of them) and I hope it could be the piece to gb and AUM.
At last I don't care so much about daw recording since I'm more focused on live gigging where the action is for performers. If I need to mixdown gb could do the job (even remixing) and youtube will be my channel so why to worry about cd quality or pristine sound? I'm playing an iPad such kind of toy device to my studio engineering mates (truehistory)
Find your own could be my advice.
To be fair, I said that Cubasis lags behind in terms of features, which it does. As far as I can see that's just a simple factual comment. I didn't say Cubasis wasn't capable. The list of features that Auria has over Cubasis is fairly substantial, and puts Auria much closer to a desktop DAW.
I really don't think that's an inaccurate description, sorry however if it you found it irritating, I understand that reading these comments can be annoying, but I wasn't trying to start a DAW war (we've had enough of those), but simply trying to give the OP a fair assessment of what is available as I see it.
So, for the millionth time I will list the pros and cons of each DAW as I see them. Feel free to disagree, this is simply based on my experience of using them both:
Cubasis pros: really easy to get started, everything on one page. Easy AB/IAA/AU routing, set it up quickly and easily. Great built-in synth (Micrologue), great sampler. Keyboard, chord pads, drum pads all included. Automation very easy to edit.
Cubasis cons: crappy mixing environment, no aux sends! No busses or routing of any kind, small imprecise faders, built-in effects unimpressive. Basic audio and MIDI editing capabilities, no crossfades! The Media Bay is a royal pain, please just let me paste audio directly into the timeline! Right now all import/export has to go via the Media Bay.
Auria pros: very feature-rich, close to desktop features, powerful mixing environment with aux sends, busses, groups etc. Excellent included channel strip and fx, with even better ones available via IAP. Extensive audio and MIDI editing capabilities, audio warping, great built-in synths and sample player, decent file management and Dropbox and Audioshare support.
Auria cons: expensive, especially the IAPs, complex and time-consuming to learn. More like desktop than touch, could still be improved in terms of touch UI, track automation for example. Very easy to get resource heavy, so requires some careful management of plug-ins and buffer settings.
I think that's a fair summary, feel free to correct me if you think I am being unfair. Actually, if we could have a more-or-less impartial comparison it might be useful since this question comes up all the time, we could copy and paste it into future discussions.
Does anyone record jamming sessions directly in modstep?/ its really good, then exporting tracks to audioshare then into any daw or maybe into blocs or anywhere you want...
The phrase 'but it lags far behind in features' is what I took issue with. People plow a lot of hours effort into learning how to use one or both of these DAWs, and others, and to hear someone sniffily dismiss their tool of choice like that is a bit incendiary.
Cubasis doesn't lag behind anything in features, the developers have chosen a combination that they judge will suit a good number of users, the same as Rim does, the same as developers of others DAWs do. Auria suits you, I don't care for it, that's all personal taste. They have many factors to weigh up when deciding what features go in and many of them we probably don't know about. Personally I appreciate a solid DAW that minimises the complexity and there is nothing I miss especially. A decent audio editor would be cool but I'm sure I could work out how to bring in another app for that purpose if it was that important.
This might sound like over-reaction but I just got fed up with hearing over and over, Auria is the only professional blah.. Cubasis doesn't shit in the woods.. etc.. I know, I know, who cares, and yes...
PO (to me)
I'm genuinely trying to give an objective impression of both apps. But of course I'm human, flawed, and biased, but the intent was there. So I'm really not trying to dismiss anything, just appraising the current state of the apps. The key thing though is that certain features mean more to some people than others. I like to twiddle the knobs, some people don't.
My shorter summary would be that if you want to get going quickly Cubasis is a great option, but if you want to micro-manage your mix then Auria is a better fit.
Regarding Auria's capabilities I simply quote some work of @mrufino1 which I considered a nice classical studio mix...
in fact it turned out he did the job using just Auria, something I hadn't expected at all.
This was a true blind test, as no production details were known in advance.
I don't know Cubase under IOS, but most desktop mixes by that DAW appear rather weak imh ears.
(which may not be the fault of the DAW itself but misapplication by users - there's a lot of things to be messed up)
Regarding the afforementioned results a full priced Auria counts as el cheapo for me.
I'd use it myself, but it doesn't support my specific workflow as a long time (and die hard) SAW-Studio user.
I use Blocs Wave to record everything and pipe apps into it through Aum and Audiobus. Sometimes I will also record just in AUM but almost always have Blocs linked. I have Auria and Cubasis amd Modstep and the only one of the three that gets any use now is Modstep for sequencing apps, not recording audio.
For me Blocs is one of the nicest, cleanest, best organised for simply dumping recordings to an external daw. The past few months using it has completely transformed how I make music. Plus the more you load Blocs up with your own material and just start slicing it up, mixing and matching across multiple sessions over months, a unique instantaneous magic happens that I have never quite had before on PC/iOS or hardware.
Depends what you're after. For me, recording a few apps at once in a 'live' jam session gives the music a more spontaneous feel, with as many surprises as there are mistakes. Track by track overdubbing can sound a bit stale and safe if you're not careful, particularly with electronic compositions.
I try and get the best of both worlds.
I am actually surprised to hear the praise for Auria Pro when it comes to midi, as I bought it today and haven't been able to get it to sync to DM1, DM2, or Patterning (using IAA). When a midi track has a note quantized right on the first beat, it sounds late. Frozen tracks that were in time ended up out of time later in the day, despite still appearing in the right place in the timeline. I've done only some rudimentary things and found it unusable. This is on a brand new iPad Pro, too. What am I missing?
I record everything audio into TwistedWave, edit it there, then export it for multi track projects in whatever other apps. I find those initial TW edits and sculpts to be absolutely critical timesavers later on, because they feel to me so quick, easy & intuitive there, whereas trying to do the same in Auria & Cubasis feels like a big fat pain in my butt.
That could just be me though. Your mileage may vary.
Also, I have done some comparisons of recording similar audio events into different apps, including AudioShare, MultiTrackDAW, Cubasis Auria NanoStudio MusicStudio etc, and got the clearest cleanest results by quite a long way in TwistedWave. The quality differences I got per each app were surprisingly significant. You might want to try your own comparison tests.
Your personal kilometreage may differ. And so on. Good luck!
Please report here: http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=d2abd692450bfcef2f5ce4c0468be114
The developer, Rim, is very active there and will help you for sure.
well observed, Twisted Wave's edit approach is outstanding in ergonomic context.
It's almost as smart as SAW-Studio (which I use for that purpose)
There's one tiny, but important difference: the move up/down gesture for zoom in/out shifts the focus sideways and easily off screen, which may require a swipe correction.
(SAW keeps it centered, not just time saving but also less fatigue because your point of interest doesn't move around)
It's a pity that TW doesn't do multiple tracks... and lacks the region management of the desktop version.
Interesting.. How do you sync the multiple tracks, or does that not matter for the kind of music you produce?
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Then again, it depends on which features the user needs. I got Auria Pro as my back up, an alternate to Cubasis.
On desktop I use Soundtrack Pro, a lightweight extension of Logic. I never used SAWStudio.
I too wish TW could mult track projects. In my most cherished dreams.
Then again, such functionality on iOS could realistically lag TW's speedy light responsiveness, so as much as I wish for it, I nearly almost don't mind app-moving to keep that responsiveness. For other functions I'd probably have to hop over anyway, so I cope.
Still, I can dream.
In other apps. See my response in this post above.
for multitracking it would be sufficient if 1 track is available exactly like it's now.
This one is used to cut/define regions.
On the multitrack timeline those regions may be arranged with less detailed graphics.
But regions don't exist yet...
Aha! I like this. I've honestly barely used Audiobus cause I got into this when AUM came out and never found a need for audiobus. But recording into blocs through AB sounds great.
I'm about to buy an iConnect audio to record vocals. Do I need Auria or Cubasis? Are there any good cheaper options?