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Refurbished vs. New MAC
What is your knowledge and opinion on this?
I looked at brand new Mac Book pro but the 13 inch is too small for me and the 15 is just way to much money.
Plus, I would rather use that money on gear and music stuff.
If you were not getting a MAC BOOK would PC would you get for making music?
I was also throwing around idea of large IPad Pro in lieu of the Mac Book. But, I need storage and some basic word stuff for my writing and financials.
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I bought my iPad Pro 12.9 refurbished. It's a great idea.
If you're looking at working in a DAW on the macbook, I suggest you get a Macbook Pro. If you're looking for a cheaper model, I'd suggest trying to find a Refurbished 2011- model because those ones are still modular. So you could buy the base 2011 model (with the best processor you can afford) and put in more RAM and a new Solid State Drive yourself. Did the same thing myself about a year ago for the old lady.
The trouble with the 2011 model iMac is non of the nice continuity features work as they don't have BT4. (Unless someone has produced a dongle solution while I wasn't looking)
iPad pro and office 360 family £8 a month including 1TB of storage each for up to 5 family members is a pretty good solution
I had my music dedicated 15 retina Mbp stolen last year, big blow...
Since then, I use my old (2008) repurposed Asus laptop K53SV exclusively for Ableton and VST plugins (some are cpu heavy like uhe diva or bazille), it has an i7 2ghz and 6gb of RAM, and everything is running perfectly smooth
On a PC you need to install Asio4all driver, to avoid latency with your midi USB; and also you would need an external audio soundcard if you wish to record sound, with a mic or guitar, without latency
I miss logic a little, but I got to know ableton better, and I will stick to PC for financial and practical reasons
And the combo ableton/ipad is really good!
I was looking at a Macbook earlier this year and decided to stay PC with an Asus Zenbook which worked great for my uses, about an hour a day sketching tracks and sound design while commuting. I bought a low end one (paid around $800) and still finish tracks with the tower of power at home.
I bought a tower about three years ago and paid in the neighborhood of $1200 dollars. The current tune I am finishing on the tower in Samplitude has fifty tracks, with tons of eq, compressors, fx, about a dozen vst synths etc etc and I don't even keep track anymore as it just handles whatever i throw at it, no worries. The Zenbook would choke on all this if I tried to finish with it but I don't see maxing the tower out at all at any stage. The throughput on a decent affordable tower is simply staggering. Now if I were doing big professional film score stuff with gigs upon gigs of realistic fully articulated orchestral sound libraries that all needed to be 24/96 surround then this particular tower would not be able to handle it but I am just using things like Massive, FM8, Obscurrium, Sylenth, Egoist, Looperator, Ra, Silk Road, Battery and tons of audio from iOS apps etc. recorded into Blocs on iPad and exported over for mixing, just having fun wishing I was in the 90s hanging out with The Orb and FSOL.
Anyway, portable is nice, but not giving a shit about system resourses is orgiastic.
Get a mid 2012 MBP, throw an SSD and 16gb RAM innit. Itll be a killer machine.
90's............. working at Soundfactory and The Tunnel.
Would do again. No doubt.
Granted, living 2004-2011 in Miami was no punishment either...................
Thanks for feedback on the gear
Woah Miami anytime would be amazing. Hmmm, did you cross paths with Otto Von Schirach by chance?
Just a few pointers here for you, Macs are not what they once were, I have no bones in this (I use both systems everyday and own both) but support for Mac with developers is getting worse and worse
Studio One - Mac plagued by CPU issues, Studio One support removing users from it's forum for even mentioning it and claiming they have received zero reports (Check latest round of S1 threads at KVR)
Reaper - Mac has poor browsing support (Single column) various bugs to do with actions (Reaper is entirely built around actions) does not support coloring (New color picker in OSX) and little interest from the developers to fix
Ableton Live - Mac uses extra CPU, but that's about it
Maschine - Mac has very very serious CPU issues
I don't wish to comment on too many others because i haven't tested them in recent months, personally i can live with a lot of it, but if you do plan on running projects that may hit max CPU, then a PC will perform better, this is not Mac hate or any other nonsense (Just do some research yourself) it is fact.
I bought a refurbished Mac Mini from Hoxton Macs in the UK. Absolutely delighted with it. Much better spec than Apple's current top Mac Mini, including new SSD and 16gb RAM. What's not to like!
In favor of the iPad Pro 12.9 option:
I have been very happy with Microsoft's free Remote Desktop app for anytime I need Windows. And it does native iPad screen resolution now.
This of course depends on you having a networked Windows machine to remote in to.
@Flexinoodle what's your perspective on the Linux music creation scene? And Chrome OS, for that matter?
Go ahead with the refurb. We have bought dozens over the years for our business, and not had a problem with any of them, they truly are like new. I don't know that I'd go with a 2011 as recommended above, we're finding quite a gap between 2011 and up as far as being able to run the latest from OSX and software. Just buy something that has what you need already.