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Synth tip plz! with detroit sounds

edited December 2016 in General App Discussion

Hallå, i wanted to get an idea down today but Korg gadgets Marseille synth dident have the right strings for the backround so i dont know what synth to try next. The sounds that are essential to have some of are kind of retro detroit deep house for backround and some acid bass plonking in the foreground. I hate not having the right stuff when creativity strikes at the same time as the will to make stuff (:
Lets try to change that. Here is one relative song for sounds. A drum machine with plenty of these kind of detroit post jazz house stuff would allso be good to have

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  • Quick question, do you have iM1/Darwin?
    The pad sounds a lot like the M1 Symphonic preset with some EQ...

  • Imaschine will have those sounds I think. Not sure where else.

  • Ideally you'd want a 909, a 303, a Juno and a SP-1200. B)

    Or you could grab these, Chicago, Phoenix and a bit-crusher plugin.

  • edited December 2016

    @nrgb said:
    Ideally you'd want a 909, a 303, a Juno and a SP-1200. B)

    Are they available as softsynth's for iOS you think?

  • M1 would be a good start for the pad. This isn't the instruments @nrgb mentioned other than the acid bass (and maybe the kick and some hats toward the end). This is all "art of sampling". S900 I'd guess. You can tell the pad is sampled because it has a vocal quality that would be hard to conjure from an anolog synth but also has slow resonant filter movement over the whole track that would be hard to do with an S+S instrument like the M1 or the D50.

    Brilliant track. Sorry I don't have any "slide this in here" answers for you. Hopefully some useful clues though.

  • ordinarily you'd go for a 909 for Detroit, deep house but the drums in the tune you linked to are not 909.

    try sunrizer for the strings.

  • edited December 2016

    Sunrizer definitely for the Pad sound. If you check out my sunrizer patches https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/15566/64-sunrizer-presets-free#latest you'll find almost identical pads that may need tweaking to taste.
    Drums are recreatable easily enough. You could go with a 909 kick, but the clap is more of a short crack sound, I know I have it or can recreate it and could dig it out for you if need be. Also a bit of overdrive or light distortion on the drums too to give it that crispy sounding sampled type tone.
    And of course rebirth will get you the best 303 sound.

  • @syrupcore said:
    M1 would be a good start for the pad. This isn't the instruments @nrgb mentioned other than the acid bass (and maybe the kick and some hats toward the end). This is all "art of sampling". S900 I'd guess. You can tell the pad is sampled because it has a vocal quality that would be hard to conjure from an anolog synth but also has slow resonant filter movement over the whole track that would be hard to do with an S+S instrument like the M1 or the D50.

    Brilliant track. Sorry I don't have any "slide this in here" answers for you. Hopefully some useful clues though.

    I don´t think the pad is sampled, i´m sure it´s a hybrid synth like the Prophet VS with an analog resonant filter.

    The good thing is, that the iPad /KLC versions of M1/Wavestation have resonant filters too. If you have to choose, i recommend the iWavestation.

    For Drums, @brambos Ruismaker and if you wanna get weird Ruismaker FM!

  • edited December 2016

    That thing sure sounds sampled
    BTW. To get vocal quality from a simple saw is no voodoo magic,
    A simple graphic eq will do

    BTW. M1 and Prophet and wavestation are samplebased ;)

  • @Patric_Bateman said:

    @syrupcore said:
    M1 would be a good start for the pad. This isn't the instruments @nrgb mentioned other than the acid bass (and maybe the kick and some hats toward the end). This is all "art of sampling". S900 I'd guess. You can tell the pad is sampled because it has a vocal quality that would be hard to conjure from an anolog synth but also has slow resonant filter movement over the whole track that would be hard to do with an S+S instrument like the M1 or the D50.

    Brilliant track. Sorry I don't have any "slide this in here" answers for you. Hopefully some useful clues though.

    I don´t think the pad is sampled, i´m sure it´s a hybrid synth like the Prophet VS with an analog resonant filter.

    The good thing is, that the iPad /KLC versions of M1/Wavestation have resonant filters too. If you have to choose, i recommend the iWavestation.

    For Drums, @brambos Ruismaker and if you wanna get weird Ruismaker FM!

    I'd put money on it being sampled. The cost of a prophet VS when this track was made was probably still astronomical. Still, to your point, iWavestation would most likely get you this sound.

  • @lala said:
    BTW. M1 and Prophet and wavestation are samplebased ;)

    That depends how you define samplebased, would you classify a Waldorf Wave (table) Synth as samplebased?

  • Hmm, is this a new song meant to sound like an old song? https://www.discogs.com/artist/5328800-DJ-Boring If so, definitely changes the gear question.

    I don't care when it's from, I'm digging his stuff. https://djboring.bandcamp.com/

  • Yes, a wavetable is just a very short sample
    But the Waldorf and ppg stuff is much more sophisticated than the romper m1 that just plays samples or prophet that just mixes the short samples
    So Waldorf and Palm I would say it's wavetable and not samplebased anymore

  • @syrupcore said:

    I'd put money on it being sampled.

    Me too.

  • @lala said:
    Yes, a wavetable is just a very short sample
    But the Waldorf and ppg stuff is much more sophisticated than the romper m1 that just plays samples or prophet that just mixes the short samples
    So Waldorf and Palm I would say it's wavetable and not samplebased anymore

    I´d agree, especially because you can edit the wavetables in e.g. Nave. I haven´t nerded out that hard yet though. Editing wavetables is where i drew the line :-)

    I´ve underestimated the Romplers, with the layering alone you get amazing sounds, 32 at a time with the iWavestation. It´s nuts.

  • edited December 2016

    The vocal synthesis and resYnthesis of samples to wavetables is totally nuts in nave. B)
    To bad it crashes every now and then while heaving editing.
    And it's missing link, it has such a nice arp ...

  • @Patric_Bateman said:

    @lala said:
    Yes, a wavetable is just a very short sample
    But the Waldorf and ppg stuff is much more sophisticated than the romper m1 that just plays samples or prophet that just mixes the short samples
    So Waldorf and Palm I would say it's wavetable and not samplebased anymore

    I´d agree, especially because you can edit the wavetables in e.g. Nave. I haven´t nerded out that hard yet though. Editing wavetables is where i drew the line :-)

    I´ve underestimated the Romplers, with the layering alone you get amazing sounds, 32 at a time with the iWavestation. It´s nuts.

    If this was really made last year it could be pretty much any old soft synth. Considering the amount of stuff they have up on Bandcamp and that their soundcloud name is "djboring1990" and the tune at the top of this thread is called "Winona", a modern 1990 throwback gets my vote. Other stuff on their bandcamp make it a little more obvious it wasn't done in 1990.

  • It's a recent track. Dj Boring is a young Aussie lad named Tristan. This early Chicago throwback stuff is huge here at the moment. Check out another Aussie, Mall Grab for more of the same.

  • edited December 2016

    Early 90s have been a good time in dance music
    I started clubbing than.
    The whole Detroit-Berlin connection & Frankfurt trance :)

    No wonder this comes back.
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yWOK9G4IdR
    Listen with headphones or you won't hear the bass
    Damned it worked a sec ago
    Here is the link

    Something else



    Greetings from Germany.

    For house just grab some 909 samples somewhere ...
    Chicago house (dance mania rec.) used that little boss drum thing I can't remember the name of a lot its dr 660
    For that samba house stuff try 727 with 909 bd
    You will recognize the sounds immediately

    For pads go with sunrizer

  • A last old goddy before I go

  • I'll add a couple:

  • edited December 2016

    I can't sleep, lol
    I forgot the Berlin in Detroit Berlin connection
    This is funky as hell, me thinks


  • Back To Detroit

  • edited December 2016

    Back to Frankfurt (Oliver lieb again under one of his 100 pseudonyms)

    LOL what the kids call trance today is just Eurodance rubbish >:)

  • edited December 2016


    Im jumping somewhere in the dark here o:)

  • edited December 2016

    Classics





  • edited December 2016

    I forgot this


  • Haha you christmas fuckers, thank you sommuch for the links! Maybe It will take me somewhere.

    I had the feeling I probablyfucked up the definitions of the song I linked, it being more like chicago house. I just say detroit to things that are deep and use musical drum samples. I had a moodymann thingy. Chicago is more slow and synth heavy like the song from DJ boring i guess, thanx for clearing that up.

    Why dont I just go through the tracks i like and make my own samples from them? Then I to would be a little house bastard wouldent I? But what app to use on IOS for making the samples(and then putting them all in 'audio share', right?)?

    • I was thinking to use blocks wave, or is there a better option just for using my music and slicing/dicing drum sounds? Should I even care anout adding effcts while using the pure sampler, or just wait with it untill im sequencing?
    • Questions questions questions.. About elastic drums, do you think it will be able to chromatically adjust synth samples I make? Sampling drums will take up some time, but if i'm not able to make the lead/bass synth sounds i like in soft synths, it's tempting to try and sample them myself.
    • Sorry guys for not responding earlier (christmas lag)but, Patric bateman, thanx I have not tried iwavestation yet, but looking into it now
    • ! Nrgb, ur totally right, I'm listening to mall grab right now! They have quite alot of tunes on itunes so go grab if you're caught wanting

    Merry christmas everybody
    Nice to talk with some house folk

  • Godamn the nave is cool tho eh?! just tried it now

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