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Sample libraries for iOS
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So there will be no Kontakt maybe for iOS but this here also can be used for iOS.....
http://hartinstruments.net/hise/
Edit: I mean there is sadly no iOS app for this but you could compile iOS apps with it....as i understand.
So could be a kind of Kontakt for iOS?
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Sure, you could use that framework to build a Kontakt inspired sampler or sample player. Is that what you're after?
I mean in general there is a lack of a proper scripting tool or sample library (or hybrid) instrument creation tool like Kontakt for iOS (i mean you can't anyway do that on an iOS device but you also can't compile a Kontakt instrument as iOS app) and i saw that this could be an option....maybe?
I read that the Auria sampler has a bigger scripting engine behind it sleeves.....maybe that could be another Kontakt "replacement".
Maybe i'm totally wrong? Still try to get behind that more.
Hise would allow you to compile to an AU plug in, not a native standalone app, right?
Here is a quote from the Hise forum where someone asked about iOS AUv3...
"At the moment standalone only, but it shouldn't be too hard to add AUv3 with the recent JUCE version.
But it runs really smooth there. I am using HISE on an iPod touch that replaces my laptop on stage..."
That would be of course not so good.
I don't wanted to confuse people here (or myself).
Just thought if it might be an option.
I mean even if there would be a Kontakt Player for iOS, the licencing is not cheap at all to be a player (not full Kontakt only) instrument.
I know because of that it would be great to have more options.
At least Embertone (a great sample library maker for Kontakt libraries) started and there is also coming something from Psound (UVI libraries f.e.) as iOS app. I think the vintage accordion which is great and one of the best in it's category.
Maybe it can be even a good thing to have to do a standalone app or AUv3 rather than using it inside a big sampler.
A solo string like the Friedlander Violin f.e. but with a performence oriented GUI like Finger Fiddle could be even more interesting instead to be bound to the Kontakt or UVI GUI and limited forms of input (for multi-touch).
MPE all the way.....
ugh... (drooling).......that is my dream to have kontakt, or even a lighter version of Kontakt on Ipad or iphone. maybe someday.
Kontakt on the iPad would be totally awesome in my opinion. We could expand it tenfold with all the libraries that exist out there. I know for a fact one of my favourite EDM producers, KSHMR, uses Kontakt for all the realistic instrument sounds he uses in his productions. Meantime, I have Sampletank and most of it's expansions (except for the ones which are solely loop-based). I hope they can someday support multi-out and state-saving.
Indeed, i read that there is a Hise player planned and this would be free to use for releasing instruments.
The licence per app would be only for your own apps not need that player.....but it's all early and we wil see.
I think licencing a Kontakt player instruments costs 10k or so.......
Ouch. That's pretty high alright.
Yes, and i heard (it might be not exact) that is for 1000 licences (which might be the minimum you must take). Because of that it´s more for the major players and rather expensive libraries. There are some awesome ones for sure and worth the price....not all. Think how much 10 dollar apps you had to sell....
The full Kontakt libraries don´t need that but customers have to buy the full Kontakt to use them (otherwise they can demo it for 15 minutes in the player just) and there are a few other things the Player versions gets like the "powered by Kontakt" brand and it appears in the library browser.
I don't know, horses for courses and all that, but...
The iOS platform is pretty lousy for sample libraries. The cost per GB is just too high. Do you really want to use your limited iDevice storage space on a bunch of samples that mostly just sit there doing nothing? I don't.
As long as physical modeling doesn´t come close (beside for piano maybe but also not there for my taste)...yes
I still have 90GB unused on my iPhone. There is already a 24 velocity layered piano which i don´t tryed because i´m saturated at pianos on my mac but for people working with iOS only or want to doing more with high quality samples on iOS it is a huge different to get round robins, velocity layers, different expressions etc.
I saw in several forums that there is a lack of those sample libraries or at least i thought so. It might be not the case.
I also always thought it´s often not worth the space until i played with the first deeply sampled solo instrument i bought. It´s day and night.
In a huge mix or as kind of house piano chords it doesn´t matter so much of course.
Sometimes we all need to do our Spring cleaning, even if it means deleting apps no longer relevant to our workflow (and redownloading them when you realise "DOH, I actually was using that one in an Audiobus setup, lol).
I plan to upgrade my iPad soon when the next line is released, and if the iPad Pro 2 9.7" or iPad Mini 5 has a 256gb storage option (iPad Mini 5 preferred if its Apple Pencil compatible), I'm on it!
If you have Auria Pro, you can load quite large and advanced sample libraries in EXS format. I have some from Analogue Drums and Imperfect Samples and all run fine to date. I have a 256GB iPad, though.
There is at least the HISE player planned from what i read for iOS too which could sell third party intruments/libraries as IAP like Auria f.e. does with Fabfilter etc.
That would be like a Kontakt Player for iOS then.
IOS would be even better prepared for piracy in this case.
So it might happen. Of course it will need developers to deliver and a market to willing to buy and time to evolve.
It could be even better to not start also on iOS with the NI monopol (beside UVI and very few other options).
@Cib If there are particular instruments you're looking for, if you ask, I'm sure you will get many good recommendation. Dunno if they'll meet your "high quality" requirement.
Personally, I don't think there's much of a market for pricey, multi GB sound libraries (a la Kontakt) on iOS.
But HISE will offers even more than Kontakt.....
Well, i don't want to say that there are not good samples at all on iOS. I just thought that a thing like HISE could start these things slowly on iOS and i could have one migrate some things back or split cpu/ram loads.
But you might be right and i have to wait a bit more.
Maybe....but windows 10 sucks for multi-touch and such performence GUI's.
Even Bitwig is not really there.
IOS is the only real usable multi-touch OS for music yet. There seems no market for windows 10 multi-touch music apps yet.
A painful workaround would be converting your favorite Kontakt libraries to soundfonts and load them in Auria's Lyra player ( which is currently the only soundfont player that supports disk streaming) .
ah that's why it's so silent
For your standalone VST/AU you created with HISE maybe, iOS apps woudn't cost the same.
But the HISE player would not cost you that at all.
Maybe JUCE would be the main part then (wasn't that created or aquired by Roli).
However, maybe it's a few years to go (if ever) for iOS for a market for this. I have to and will accept that of course
Depending on the library of course, the main problem is storage space for sample players of the same quality as desktop Kontakt. That's particularly true of orchestral samples with multiple articulations, dynamics & expression. Can easily run into the 10s of GB for just a handful of instruments and full orchestral libraries can be 100s of GB.
Lots of good, high quality, free samples here:
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/free-music-samples-download-loops-hits-and-multis-627820#
Noiiz just released a bunch of free sample sets. https://app.noiiz.com/news
Their subscription is a good deal, but free is an even better deal.
Yes...because nobody wants to pay for apps
I'm disappointed the Auria sampler never got more robust as it was implied it would be. It loads many, many exs files just fine but can't handle super multi-layered or modulated ones.
In fact, there are many things in Auria that have lacked improvement or fixing in nearly 2 years since the Pro release, but I overlook them due to FabFilters.
Juce has a very affordable license scheme - even the free personal version allows revues of $50k per year.
A perpetual, unlimited license for one version for $1.200 is really fair considering the amount of objects included - can't be that bad, if Gadget and the UVI stuff is built on it
The major advantage of the $65 subscription is tax treatment: the purchase is an investment, while the subscription can be claimed as expenses immediately.