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Akai's new standalone MPC looks awesome

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  • Group the loop? (Once again)

    ...About sampling what can achieve Samplr or Samplewiz is far away that Ableton or mpcs can do, the first for the lack of touch interface and the second for the lack of... apps.

    Then let's talk about Vidbox, takete or djplayer... I can create a beat/song, export to djplayer and scratch it for few bucks and just one ipad.

    Need more channels outputs? Add the right audio interface.
    Arranger? Midiband or xmure.
    Korg sound? Yamaha? Roland? Soundfonts? AU?

    To use some of these workflows you will still need a computer which is no problem since iPad is another itself. Limits are fine to focus workflow but it could be possible in iPad too just turning out wifi and right use of notifications.

    If Akai has done their homework and MS has done theirs too maybe this machine could be a new classic but I need to see how manages realtime and quantization since this is not the mpc1000/2500 jjOS legacy. Then when the trust come back it could be possible talk about wonders. At this moment windows still lacks in something like core audiomidi and true plug'n play...

    Finally:

  • @Telstar5 said:
    Doesn't Auria Pro have Audio warping?

    Sure. But context matters. If you want a sample-as-first-class-citizen beat making workflow, for instance, Auria isn't the answer.

    I'd recommend Auria to an MPC live user if they wanted to do a lot of multitrack recording with great effects and mixer automation even though MPC will record/mix audio tracks.

  • I'm still wondering which is so special about these workflow. It had sense 10 years ago (where the iPhone born) and survived thanks to jjOS improvements since AkaiOS seems shit for the powerusers. Then now I can't figure what "workflow" has that I can achieve with the right app or combination of them but fanboys go and go all over internet biasing the fact that this is a windows embed machine with lots of compromises and expensive price (supported by fanboys idealizing the workflow).
    It has lots of similarities with Technics turntable myth even being in part true (durability, feeling, etc) but nothing which cost 1000€ nowadays (and lets left aside profitability...)

    So,
    Can someone who used the 2.0 version explain me what workflow or tool is so worth? I can understand that BH BM2 samplr samplewiz and so aren't the same even combinated but what piece is missing?

  • edited January 2017

    @Noirflux said:

    @mireko_2 said:

    @Noirflux said:

    @alecsbuga said:

    @5pinlink said:

    @alecsbuga said:

    I have also been waiting for a new standalone for ages, the fact that the live has battery power is icing on the cake..

    My favourite thing about a standalone is I don't have to think about updates and file management, viruses etc..

    I love just having a box that I can sit down infront of and will just have my projects, IF the os is stable that is!

    I love the mpc idea but was always frustrated using the mpc2500 because of the menu diving and tiny lcd (I started out on computer production before hardware). One of my most hated things was naming all my samples via the jog wheel. The touchscreen makes text entry so much easier as I sample everything that goes into my mpc's.

    The fact I can chuck a ssd in this thing (got a spare 120gb samsung sitting here), that it has Ableton link coming, that it will support my keystep using USB midi host.. it's really looking like my ideal box.

    And realtime pitch shift/stretch is looking pretty amazing too.

    I just hope the outputs are punchy, the screen is responsive, and I'm pretty much set.

    I was thinking of getting an octatrack, but I can instead get the mpc live and a strymon big sky for the same $$

    Yeah I love the idea of having just one box with no distractions. It is also why I wanted to get an op1 but this is more up my alley. I have already started rereading articles about live. This is the first sign that I will eventually buy something lol

    I hear folks talking about the distractions involved in using an iPad. If you're a distractable kinda person the moment you get the Akai you'll get distracted with other things around you, unless this comes with google glass socket. ;)

    Having a tried and tested set up with associated controllers on an iPad is not that difficult. It is the question of being mentally focussed on what one needs/wants to achieve and executing it. It is way more flexible as it can be taylored to your way of working. If you don't like Audiobus workflow, just use AUM instead, or both. If you don't like akai software, you're stuffed. I find this particularly true to effects. iOS has such a variety of effects that I'd find it hard to part wth them.

    As for iOS updates there is that airplane mode function that sorts it out. Yes, this means having a dedicated machine for music but the cost of both Akai units one could easily afford the second iPad for those distractions.

  • 128 A> @Telstar5 said:

    Beathawk already has pretty good bread and butter sampling.. I have a feeling the new one .....

    Don't raise your expectations. The sampler is the same ;)
    It is a lot more polished and it has some new tricks which I can't talk about.

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    I'm still wondering which is so special about these workflow. It had sense 10 years ago (where the iPhone born) and survived thanks to jjOS improvements since AkaiOS seems shit for the powerusers. Then now I can't figure what "workflow" has that I can achieve with the right app or combination of them but fanboys go and go all over internet biasing the fact that this is a windows embed machine with lots of compromises and expensive price (supported by fanboys idealizing the workflow).
    It has lots of similarities with Technics turntable myth even being in part true (durability, feeling, etc) but nothing which cost 1000€ nowadays (and lets left aside profitability...)

    So,
    Can someone who used the 2.0 version explain me what workflow or tool is so worth? I can understand that BH BM2 samplr samplewiz and so aren't the same even combinated but what piece is missing?

    you should download the manual, it's available and quite revealing. Right now it seems you dislike it more than you know about it.

  • Hey guys don't hate, some people just work differently ya know?

    Also it's not a windows embedded os, the prototype was but if you look at the FCC breakdown the CPU they used does not support windows embeded

  • edited January 2017

    I want this pupper, but I might go older school and grab an SP404SX instead.

  • when is samplrs wonderful update coming, btw... surely somebody knows... John?

  • @Gaia.Tree said:
    I want this pupper, but I might go older school and grab an SP404SX instead.

    Sp404 is a great bit of kit too

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    I'm still wondering which is so special about these workflow. It had sense 10 years ago (where the iPhone born) and survived thanks to jjOS improvements since AkaiOS seems shit for the powerusers. Then now I can't figure what "workflow" has that I can achieve with the right app or combination of them but fanboys go and go all over internet biasing the fact that this is a windows embed machine with lots of compromises and expensive price (supported by fanboys idealizing the workflow).
    It has lots of similarities with Technics turntable myth even being in part true (durability, feeling, etc) but nothing which cost 1000€ nowadays (and lets left aside profitability...)

    So,
    Can someone who used the 2.0 version explain me what workflow or tool is so worth? I can understand that BH BM2 samplr samplewiz and so aren't the same even combinated but what piece is missing?

    What compromises do you see? The 2.0 version is not out yet.

  • edited January 2017

    @kobamoto said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    I'm still wondering which is so special about these workflow. It had sense 10 years ago (where the iPhone born) and survived thanks to jjOS improvements since AkaiOS seems shit for the powerusers. Then now I can't figure what "workflow" has that I can achieve with the right app or combination of them but fanboys go and go all over internet biasing the fact that this is a windows embed machine with lots of compromises and expensive price (supported by fanboys idealizing the workflow).
    It has lots of similarities with Technics turntable myth even being in part true (durability, feeling, etc) but nothing which cost 1000€ nowadays (and lets left aside profitability...)

    So,
    Can someone who used the 2.0 version explain me what workflow or tool is so worth? I can understand that BH BM2 samplr samplewiz and so aren't the same even combinated but what piece is missing?

    you should download the manual, it's available and quite revealing. Right now it seems you dislike it more than you know about it.

    I don't hate the concept, I hate hype. Later deception when reality hits.

    @mireko_2 said:
    Hey guys don't hate, some people just work differently ya know?

    Also it's not a windows embedded os, the prototype was but if you look at the FCC breakdown the CPU they used does not support windows embeded

    Yes I know but ai was using embed as "taylored for" which in first moment seems great but due the "let alone in the wild" usual policy of Numark (facts) makes me don't trust on specs or promises.

    The compromises I see (but hey Kobamoto is right I only talk from leaked over months more than features of 2.0v since isn't released and we have just a quickstart manual)
    are related to no VST/AU support (so you have to export from desktop to audio in the best scenario), midi sequencer ppc and drift (being hardware isn't enough as Trigger Finger pro shown us in the past and how Numark/Akai has coded the audio interface and control surface drivers inside it (since it's a computer, more or less embed, more or less standalone) over windows and then how MS has coded the "kernel" and how it will be against core audio midi (since windows still lacks in proper ASIO management and using WDM or other propietary drivers could work but give some incompatibilities with third party if they try to add anykind) blahblahblahyes

    As workflow I found this like Auria or DVS (djplayer an so) on iOS; it's cool but it's mainly unnecessary in the present (being echoes of the past) and users trying to believe it will be the key of success due it was how Dj Premier (and now the new fashion producer) works.
    I can do more with less with iOS based setup and we still wait to see AB3 and whatweknow new apps with the foot on BlocsWave/launchpad, GTL, AUM and why not Auria, djplayer etc. IPad has infinite workflows against "one" which I still try to figure why it worth 1000-2000€ ¿?

    I'm look into Quickstart and look more videos but as far as I can see it tries to merge Ableton, old mpc workflow and Maschine which IMHO comes later to the party.

  • I had no idea that iOS had a sequencer that could do what an mpc sequencer can do, which one are you using?

  • @kobamoto said:
    I had no idea that iOS had a sequencer that could do what an mpc sequencer can do, which one are you using?

    Answer first what is that "could do" since I can beatmake without grids but if I need I have lots at my finger (from modstep, loopseque, DM1/2 and of course GarageBand which has audio and midi live loops, sampling, more than 8track audio, AU support, fx performance mode and I could attach it to AUM or whatever...) for live performance GTL manages the audio and scenes better than MPC 2.0 (I've seen videos meanwhile to recheck something missing). Flex audio or pitchshifting? IOS lacks in one great sampler but has some that could do even better things like that (Blocs again, samplr again, samplewiz again...) all for less than 50€ c'mon!

    I see all well packed against multiple apps in iOS but again I don't need everything everytime so filling the 2gb memory with something I don't need it's not the most efficient way to do something (live wtf!?)
    If we talk about focus and workflow, then focus and workflow. If we talk about connectivity or flexibility is different thing. That's where I see compromises that seem expensive for the buck/features ratio.

    I'll continue checking vids and reviews try to find the "lost mojo" I can see and nobody seems to can explain.

  • when did Samplr get time stretching?

  • edited January 2017

    When mpc2.0 had granular sampling and touch interface for it?
    Timestretching and harmony is in Samplewiz. Could the mpc2 do the same? It seems but in the same manner?

    Meanwhile look how revolutionary and future is clip launching of mpc2.0 next march from last year or so.

    If you ned controller support and harmonic pitching then go for looptunesHD

  • the mpc is a hardware midi sequencer that brings together usb midi control, regular midi control, and cv control all in one box that has an audio looper, sample slicer, and a sequencer that has tempo automation, time signature automation, midi merger of midi tracks, recordable mutes and solos and many other sequencing capabilities. I think comparing the list of apps that you mentioned above while simultaneously separating the mpc from it's workflow is entirely missing the point, albeit aggressively :)
    it's reported to not only have time stretching but audio warping as well. It's sample slicer and editing are also more capable than blocs wave or anything else on ios.

  • edited January 2017

    Also focus in the answers more than the misunderstanding:

    @kobamoto said:

    I had no idea that iOS had a sequencer that could do what an mpc sequencer can do, which one are you using?

    Garageband (in the things I need, please point me which aren't for you)

    @kobamoto said:
    when did Samplr get time stretching?

    Flex audio or pitchshifting?

    After "?" Comes a dot. Don't forget it. ;)

    IOS lacks in one great sampler but has some that could do even better things like that

    Pitchshifting:
    Blocs wave, samplewiz, GTL, LooptunesHD, LoopyHD, BM2, BH... vidbox!

    Clip launch:
    Blocs wave, GTL, Garageband, LoopyHD, GTL (even more similar to Ableton), looptunesHD, BH(?)

    Granular: Samplr, Samplewiz...

    Answer first what is that "could do" since I can beatmake without grids...

    Where is the mojo?

  • um, I like garage band and all of the apps you listed, bm2 I'm up and down with it but looking forward to what happens with bm3....
    as far as the mpc, none of the apps, even the mpc apps are even close to being comparable so I was just curious.

  • @kobamoto said:
    when is samplrs wonderful update coming, btw... surely somebody knows... John?

    Haha, yeah, John is probably the closest to the source but I'm afraid even Marcos might not be able to give you the answer. Back burner and all that...

  • I love iOS and the apps.But this machine is specifically made for music.You can't compare.I'm not a fanboy but what I see in paper looks awesome.We'll see more when someone make a decent review and see how software works.

  • @supadom said:

    @kobamoto said:
    when is samplrs wonderful update coming, btw... surely somebody knows... John?

    Haha, yeah, John is probably the closest to the source but I'm afraid even Marcos might not be able to give you the answer. Back burner and all that...

    :( keeping the faith

  • @kobamoto said:

    @supadom said:

    @kobamoto said:
    when is samplrs wonderful update coming, btw... surely somebody knows... John?

    Haha, yeah, John is probably the closest to the source but I'm afraid even Marcos might not be able to give you the answer. Back burner and all that...

    :( keeping the faith

    ...and that back burner light going...

  • I have just read this thread with great interest......I cannot afford either of the Akai units, so am firmly entrenched in the iOS world, but its promised capabilities do look impressive, and to have all of that in one place with no need for any messing about....Yes Please.....
    If you are making money from your music then this thing would pay for itself in no time just in setup time saving alone.....and that is where its value would come from, you would be saving time each time you used it.
    I guess only time will tell if it fully delivers on its promises....

    iOS still wins from the "throw it in your pocket and use it anywhere" point of view though ;)

    If money were no object then I'd have both my iPad and an Akai and use both at different times....Variety is the Spice and all that :)

  • @supadom said:

    @Noirflux said:

    @mireko_2 said:

    @Noirflux said:

    @alecsbuga said:

    @5pinlink said:

    @alecsbuga said:

    I have also been waiting for a new standalone for ages, the fact that the live has battery power is icing on the cake..

    My favourite thing about a standalone is I don't have to think about updates and file management, viruses etc..

    I love just having a box that I can sit down infront of and will just have my projects, IF the os is stable that is!

    I love the mpc idea but was always frustrated using the mpc2500 because of the menu diving and tiny lcd (I started out on computer production before hardware). One of my most hated things was naming all my samples via the jog wheel. The touchscreen makes text entry so much easier as I sample everything that goes into my mpc's.

    The fact I can chuck a ssd in this thing (got a spare 120gb samsung sitting here), that it has Ableton link coming, that it will support my keystep using USB midi host.. it's really looking like my ideal box.

    And realtime pitch shift/stretch is looking pretty amazing too.

    I just hope the outputs are punchy, the screen is responsive, and I'm pretty much set.

    I was thinking of getting an octatrack, but I can instead get the mpc live and a strymon big sky for the same $$

    Yeah I love the idea of having just one box with no distractions. It is also why I wanted to get an op1 but this is more up my alley. I have already started rereading articles about live. This is the first sign that I will eventually buy something lol

    I hear folks talking about the distractions involved in using an iPad. If you're a distractable kinda person the moment you get the Akai you'll get distracted with other things around you, unless this comes with google glass socket. ;)

    Having a tried and tested set up with associated controllers on an iPad is not that difficult. It is the question of being mentally focussed on what one needs/wants to achieve and executing it. It is way more flexible as it can be taylored to your way of working. If you don't like Audiobus workflow, just use AUM instead, or both. If you don't like akai software, you're stuffed. I find this particularly true to effects. iOS has such a variety of effects that I'd find it hard to part wth them.

    As for iOS updates there is that airplane mode function that sorts it out. Yes, this means having a dedicated machine for music but the cost of both Akai units one could easily afford the second iPad for those distractions.

    But I want it :( lol. I know what you mean. I still love the iPad workflow and would never dream and getting rid of it. I will wait for live to come out and see if the lust at first sight goes away.

  • So... how may iPad pros will I go thru during the lifespan of the mpcX? How many audio interfaces will I invest in and f^(I< around with instead of making music during that time? Yeah, I'm beginning to think I can justify it.

  • Also(catching up on the posts here)- the idea of mastering a dozen different apps, therefore app environments, only to have one upgrade completely eff up my workflow, is another reason my interest is piqued with this release.
    I suppose, it's because I come from the 80's, where you had a hardware sequencer MIDIed up to an hardware sampler and hardware synths. It was so hands-on. You bought a piece of gear and mastered it. Never a fear of it not integrating with your studio.

  • Let's also not forgot the fact that while the costs of apps are relatively low, in a years span, the total can easily add up. You just do not notice because it is not all at once. The new MPC's are pricey but I think they can justify it. If the new 2.0 software is any good then AKAI has a winner.

    I have never owned an MPC before and did not feel the need for one but the new live unit is calling my name.

  • I had them all: MPC 1000, Maschine when they first released, then MK2, Push 1, Push 2, MPC Touch, REN, Studio, Electribe 1 & 2, OP-1.
    Bought & sold 'cuz I don't afford all LOL. I loved them all but each had their quirks.
    Honestly the Electribe 2 was awesome because it ran on batteries and had a synth, a sampler, a sequencer... it was awesome but It was limited.

    I really loved the workflow of the MPC Touch and I was asking myself "Why the heck didn't they make this standalone?

    Looks like they did it. And the battery is icing on the cake.

    As much as I love my iPad it's a bit annoying (I know, spoiled rat)... switch apps... not all have the latest Audiobus / Audiocopy, etc... I really see myself sitting in the middle of the room on the floor with the MPC, the headphones and my guitar doing tracks.

  • @alecsbuga said:
    I had them all: MPC 1000, Maschine when they first released, then MK2, Push 1, Push 2, MPC Touch, REN, Studio, Electribe 1 & 2, OP-1.
    Bought & sold 'cuz I don't afford all LOL. I loved them all but each had their quirks.
    Honestly the Electribe 2 was awesome because it ran on batteries and had a synth, a sampler, a sequencer... it was awesome but It was limited.

    I really loved the workflow of the MPC Touch and I was asking myself "Why the heck didn't they make this standalone?

    Looks like they did it. And the battery is icing on the cake.

    As much as I love my iPad it's a bit annoying (I know, spoiled rat)... switch apps... not all have the latest Audiobus / Audiocopy, etc... I really see myself sitting in the middle of the room on the floor with the MPC, the headphones and my guitar doing tracks.

    I've also have had quite a bit as well: Maschine Mikro, Maschine, Push 1, Push 2, Circuit and a million and 1 other midi controllers.

    I know what you mean with regards to switching apps all he time. I also use the iPad a lot for work, writing and design so it is the center of everything I do. It would be nice to sit in my room with live and shit the world off.

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