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AUM ... as DAW?

AUM is now the go-to setup to noodle around on an idea. Drop in a beat created in SeekBeats or ED, then add a track of maybe an arpeggio on iOdyssei, then another track of DRC to play a melody. Each track bussed to another mix bus. I record all four tracks (I like the mix bus track as a song reference). Then my option, should I like it, is to send those stems to Auria or Cubasis and work from there.

But I so wish I could reload those files back into AUM and maybe riff some more. Is the fastest way to do this simply to add each track as a loop playing in the File Player within AUM? I wish I could hit a single button to make that happen, rather than reload each. And once each is reloaded, will they all start at the same moment if I press play on the global transport?

Is this remotely clear?

Comments

  • You just need to save the project once your tracks are loaded, then every time you open that project it will launch with everything set up as you left it.

    If you are going to loop a whole song though you will need each track to be trimmed to a specific number of bars, otherwise the looping isn't going to work.

  • I think he's suggesting a one-step button to record a section of multiple live tracks, then load those recordings as new tracks, right?

    If so, yes please, I like it. [and no I don't think AUM can do that yet]

  • @richardyot
    I wasn't very clear, but Hmtx heard my garbled plea from the bottom the well....

    @Hmtx said:
    I think he's suggesting a one-step button to record a section of multiple live tracks, then load those recordings as new tracks, right?

    If so, yes please, I like it. [and no I don't think AUM can do that yet]

    Yeah, that's what I'm after. Seems like you should be able to do this, right?

  • Can't do that yet.

  • How about sending those instruments to busses and make that end buss the source of LP-5 in. Then you should be able to, in theory, record many stems into LP-5 (over a couple of takes), where you then can move things around, turn things off and of course, add more to it. Just a thought that I'm entertaining and attempting to try myself when I have figured out the current experiment I'm doing, which I have to do first. :)

  • Alternatively, when you record the separate tracks in AUM, you could uses busses to create a recording of all the audio combined if you wanted to use it later as a backing track in AUM to record more tracks.

    If you do choose to load separate tracks with file player, you can get them to all start at the same time. If you're looping the tracks and they're not the same length then you can have difficulties. There is also the option to add a beat offset so the audio will start playing after the number of beats you've set it for.

  • @InfoCheck said:

    If you do choose to load separate tracks with file player, you can get them to all start at the same time.

    That sounds good. So if I have recorded three tracks and want to add on, or maybe ride the fader to duck out some bad notes...
    I think that by staying within AUM, there's a good vibe of experimentation. Once I send the stems to a proper DAW, I don't know. I get a little tight. Just trying to trick myself into keeping things fluid.

  • edited January 2017

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @InfoCheck said:

    If you do choose to load separate tracks with file player, you can get them to all start at the same time.

    That sounds good. So if I have recorded three tracks and want to add on, or maybe ride the fader to duck out some bad notes...
    I think that by staying within AUM, there's a good vibe of experimentation. Once I send the stems to a proper DAW, I don't know. I get a little tight. Just trying to trick myself into keeping things fluid.

    Yeah I record nearly everything live in AUM onto one track now, would be nice to have a quick way though, as you said to load in a bunch of separate tracks for slight tweaking. If I import separate tracks into Auria then it's hard to stop myself chopping them up and fiddling about, and losing the live vibe

  • edited January 2017

    Yes I wish there was an option to toggle an 'import recording(s) to new channel(s)?' prompt upon record stop.

  • @richardyot said:
    You just need to save the project once your tracks are loaded, then every time you open that project it will launch with everything set up as you left it.

    Except for state saving, which AUM does not do. For that, the answer would be to run the relevant apps under AudioBus in AUM. Providing, of course, those apps 'do' State Saving. If so, then load up saved setup in AB, then load that as part of AUM save, and all should be well to carry on where you left off...on a good day, ;)

  • You should try live loops from garageband, it seems the missing app in you workflow.

  • So I kind of figured this out. I recorded each individual channel in an AUM session. Opened a new session, and in each channel loaded those recorded files in the File Player. They start together perfectly, as InfoCheck pointed out. Then I can play along to those three tracks (or just the one master). And as long as I start all the channels at the same time, everything should be synced.
    What's missing (and what @Dubbylabby and @hellquist suggest) is the ability to play along with loops. There's no easy way to record loop-friendly material in AUM (without an extra hand for the pause button and perfect timing).

    But I sense there's a way to build up material easily in AUM before sending to a DAW. One feature of AUM that I take for granted but is huge? The automatic filing system. That makes all this possible.

  • edited January 2017

    If Modstep implements audio loops could be perfect (but surely difficul to keep it retrocompatible).

  • @ExAsperis99 to expand on my suggestion though (I have yet to finish that set-up) I am hoping I will be able to send each channel to the busses, and pick one of them to send to LP-5 (or possibly LoopTunes, via AB). That would mean I can record a loop in LP-5 of the total mix at that time, and then continue to jam with it, as it would be rather (comparatively) quick to start in LP-5 (I can even bind a control for starting it).

    AUM already has a function for recording "perfect loops", so god-like timing shouldn't be possible, as long as you settle for Link cycle precision, which would mean you can trigger it should start recording when the next cycle starts and as long as you tell it to stop recording before the cycle ends it will keep recording until it reaches that particular Link cycle. What I'm trying to get around is to not only record a mix of the bus (at the time) in LP-5, but also move on to the next clip-slot in LP-5, preferably without having to manually fiddle with many screens, but instead keep my hands on my midi keyboard.

    The set-up of all the controls on my midi keyboard (Alesis vi49) got so complex that I am currently drawing it in drawing software on my desktop to make it all clear(er) for me, before I sit down and actually do all the settings in all the various apps involved (MidiFlow, ModStep, AUM, LP-5/LoopTunes etc, which all have their own "mute", "record", "channel level" etc) as I also would like to use the keyboard to swap between for example drums, bass, pads, leads etc. :)

  • Woah. That's amazing. You really make me want to delve into LP5.

    But what is this AUM "perfect loop function" you speak of!?

  • edited January 2017

    Only problem with AUM I find, is that it's not 100% reliable. I'd estimate at least 5% of the time the recordings I try and make with it aren't saved. I also notice some apps will 'drop-out' when I press record (Lorentz was doing this today) despite working perfectly before.

    Could be something weird about my setup, or maybe I'm pushing the CPU too hard. Pain in the donkey when it does it during a great take though.

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    You should try live loops from garageband, it seems the missing app in you workflow.

    How so?

    Can record or load extern loops into it?

    And it is only in out put slot, right?

  • @hellquist said:
    @ExAsperis99 to expand on my suggestion though (I have yet to finish that set-up) I am hoping I will be able to send each channel to the busses, and pick one of them to send to LP-5 (or possibly LoopTunes, via AB). That would mean I can record a loop in LP-5 of the total mix at that time, and then continue to jam with it, as it would be rather (comparatively) quick to start in LP-5 (I can even bind a control for starting it).

    AUM already has a function for recording "perfect loops", so god-like timing shouldn't be possible, as long as you settle for Link cycle precision, which would mean you can trigger it should start recording when the next cycle starts and as long as you tell it to stop recording before the cycle ends it will keep recording until it reaches that particular Link cycle. What I'm trying to get around is to not only record a mix of the bus (at the time) in LP-5, but also move on to the next clip-slot in LP-5, preferably without having to manually fiddle with many screens, but instead keep my hands on my midi keyboard.

    The set-up of all the controls on my midi keyboard (Alesis vi49) got so complex that I am currently drawing it in drawing software on my desktop to make it all clear(er) for me, before I sit down and actually do all the settings in all the various apps involved (MidiFlow, ModStep, AUM, LP-5/LoopTunes etc, which all have their own "mute", "record", "channel level" etc) as I also would like to use the keyboard to swap between for example drums, bass, pads, leads etc. :)

    LP 5 is a hidden gem

    No bells whistles, but most technically sound app out there regarding IAA and sync stuff

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    Woah. That's amazing. You really make me want to delve into LP5.

    But what is this AUM "perfect loop function" you speak of!?

    This, from the manual:
    "If you tap record while the transport is rolling, it will start or end recording at the next sync quantum. This can be used to record loops on the fly."
    http://kymatica.com/aum/help.html#toc65

    This means you don't need perfect timing. It also means that you can use any midi control to trigger it (say, a footpedal) and it will create a (Link sync quantum) perfect loop. :)

  • @Dubbylabby said:
    If Modstep implements audio loops could be perfect (but surely difficul to keep it retrocompatible).

    if

    if BM3

    if Nano 3

    if Dagger

    if Samplr update

    if Loopy masterpiece

    if xynthsizer LINK

    if I only.......

    GADGET HAD A TRUE AUDIO WAVEFORM LAB and PLAYER

  • edited January 2017

    @RustiK said:
    LP 5 is a hidden gem

    No bells whistles, but most technically sound app out there regarding IAA and sync stuff

    I'm thinking so too, and the latest updates, with IAA recording input, make it so much more useful. The only downside with it is that you have to go into the settings to swap what you are recording. This is what I am hoping to be able to coax by not changing it, only changing the (AUM) mix that goes to the bus, and record the very same bus output to different tracks as I add/remove instruments in the mix, thereby (in theory) being able to "loop on the fly" so to speak. :)

    EDIT: adding: It doesn't have panning though, as I'm sure someone will point out sooner or later. :)

  • edited January 2017

    @RustiK said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    If Modstep implements audio loops could be perfect (but surely difficul to keep it retrocompatible).

    if

    if BM3

    if Nano 3

    if Dagger

    if Samplr update

    if Loopy masterpiece

    if xynthsizer LINK

    if I only.......

    GADGET HAD A TRUE AUDIO WAVEFORM LAB and PLAYER

    Well as realtime looper Group the Loop is perfect for me but it haven't multirouting audio yet (but audio waveform lab is coming...).

    (Edit) Maybe I need to ask to OP what's you workflow? Do you need to multirecord or you can so it layer by layer?

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    AUM is now the go-to setup to noodle around on an idea. Drop in a beat created in SeekBeats or ED, then add a track of maybe an arpeggio on iOdyssei, then another track of DRC to play a melody. Each track bussed to another mix bus. I record all four tracks (I like the mix bus track as a song reference). Then my option, should I like it, is to send those stems to Auria or Cubasis and work from there.


    It has also AbLink...

    Is this remotely clear?

  • Well, if I could make a wish, and I think it possibly has been mentioned elsewhere too, I would LOVE to see options for the following:

    AUM: When recording, loop or not, to have a setting for it to load that recording to a new track quickly and simply. In AUM it should probably just load it, either after a question or not (I would prefer it to be a setting for hands-off operation) and possibly a question/setting for if it should be a loop or not.

    ModStep: After recording there should be setting for automatically load that sample on to a pad. As ModStep (just like AUM) can record "perfect loops" it would make sense, though of course, there is a time limit (which I can't remember right now) and given that users (that is us, generally speaking) normally are idiots, there would probably be lots of complaints/questions on why their 23 minute recording isn't running smoothly on a pad which is repeatedly hammered. For the rest of us though...:)

    Either of those things would vastly simplify my current experiments (which currently, for me, need a blueprint, on paper, to actually set up at all). :)

  • @hellquist interesting ideas about automating. There are some apps like Workflow that allow you to do scripting of apps. It'd be nice to have similar functionality for apps like AUM and modstep which allow you to create or duplicate routings and/or other actions depending upon what's happening and to control them with MIDI.

  • @InfoCheck said:
    @hellquist interesting ideas about automating. There are some apps like Workflow that allow you to do scripting of apps. It'd be nice to have similar functionality for apps like AUM and modstep which allow you to create or duplicate routings and/or other actions depending upon what's happening and to control them with MIDI.

    Yes, I love the idea of taking a loop and automatically loading it onto a drum pad in Modstep or Bilbao in Gadget. I know that Bilbao allows 10 seconds; what's the limit in Modstep?

    And I am looking into LP5. Unless — would this also be easy to accomplish in Launchpad with the IAP of audio inupt? (Would rather keep it all in Modstep, though...)

  • @hellquist said:
    EDIT: adding: It doesn't have panning though, as I'm sure someone will point out sooner or later. :)

    What does not have panning? context suggests you speak of AUM which does have a panning control (in Stereo Processing set). But confidence is low that is what you meant.

  • @dwarman said:

    @hellquist said:
    EDIT: adding: It doesn't have panning though, as I'm sure someone will point out sooner or later. :)

    What does not have panning? context suggests you speak of AUM which does have a panning control (in Stereo Processing set). But confidence is low that is what you meant.

    Ah. Well, my context was that we were talking about LP-5, as the entire reply is about LP-5, and (admittedly) coaxing functionality out of AUM to make up for a shortcoming in LP-5 (apart from that LP-5 doesn't have panning, which I figured I should probably add, as that is the standard remark for some here). :)

  • sounds cool. I cant even import a track into AUM hahaha. how one does that is beyond me.

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