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Most fun & useful melody tool for a noodler Klimper Comp vs Dot Melody?
Which of these do you think would be the most fun and overall useful melody tool between Dot Melody and Klimper Composition?
I've already got other cool, fun and intuitive tools for this, but I'm still intrigued by these two, and they look fun.
Is Klimper Composition kind of redundant if I've already got Suggester with the midi-out IAP?
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Dot Melody is great if a little maddening in the same way Auxy is. Very quick to get started, but it's not the most intuitive input method… Then again, for a nonmusician, I think it would be amazingly liberating. Very nice sounds, too.
It's been on my list for awhile, mostly because it looks fun. But, I might have others I should more likely spend more time with instead of playing with yet another new/fun sequencer.
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Most fun, dot melody, most useful in the long run klimper
Dot Melody can control multiple midi out, and for someone who is not a trained musician is far more intuitive than so many other apps. And its fun.
Klimper, comes in two version. One, has midi out as an IAP, but no play button for compositions. The other has a play button, but no Midi out. Madness. If the dev combined the two he'd have something pretty good.
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the new klimper needs midi out, and he could easily charge twice the price for it.
I don't have dot melody, but the new klimper is one of those tools (for me) where the combination of design, limits and features simply make me play and create something. for that alone, it is worth having it.
but in the long term it needs midi out and/or better internal sounds
The only thing that's putting me off from Klimper Composition, is that I'm getting the impression the developer, instead of adding useful new features to Klimper, decided to launch a completely new app instead. They both seem very familiar with different features added, ie. midi-out on one, and piano roll on the other. And, wasn't the midi-out on the first one an IAP?
Or, are these completely different apps that couldn't have been combined easily?
Looks like Dot Melody would be fun at is.. maybe I'll pick that one up if it goes back on sale sometime. I've got enough new toys to play with at the moment I think.
One is for playing live, the other is for composition. They are similar, but there's enough differences that it strikes me as not unreasonable that he should seek to get paid for developing the extra features by releasing a separate app.
I think it would make a very cool au host....
I'm not a facebooker or tweeter and there doesn't seem to be any other way of contacting the dev which is a shame.
I couldn't tell if they were completely different animals. I'm all for devs gettin' paid for their extra effort. I bought the IAP for Suggester as soon as I could. I was only asking because many of the comments imply the apps are very similar with the only difference being added features, ie. piano roll, vs midi out.
I'm not in a rush to get anything at all. I was just looking over the apps I bought over the holidays and I still have several that haven't been given enough attention to yet.
Was mostly interested in Klimper Composer because I really like Suggester and the ability to try out suggestions for composition and hear them immediately, and looped. I like the piano roll concept of Klimper, but I'm wondering if I couldn't get similar functionality just using Suggester with something like Genome? Plus, Suggester has midi out.
Dot Melody... just looks like good fun. And, it has midi out. Looks fun like Patterning looks/is fun.
the two klimpers both have one common element, the list of chords. everything else is quite different, so it is justified to have a new app.
the new klimper lets you try chord progressions and immediately make melodies from it, or, if you prefer, make melodies and create chord progresison from them.
Not really.
I have suggester too, and chordbot. But what sets the new klimper apart is the way you can start a simple melody by just using the highlighted notes on the piano roll which all match the chosen chord.
You can then add extra tracks all based around the same highlighted chord notes
Even a basic drum beat.
Then you can instantly transpose your whole piece to a different key or mode and see what that sounds like.
Then fire the whole thing off by midi to the DAW of your choice for re-instrumentation and General tweaking.
It still has a couple of bugs that need sorting but overall I like it
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So which Klimper is that one?
I really enjoy how easy it is to make a piece in Dot Melody (obvious it's a cousin to Patterning). The downside of that? I accidentally dragged a note out of the grid — and I have no idea where it was supposed to go! I mean, there are no note names, no piano roll framework!
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Hmmm... that all sounds like it would benefit me as someone without much composition experience.
Dot Melody isn't on sale, and Klimper Composition still is... maybe I'll snag it up and have a play.
How well does the midi-export work into DAWs like Auria Pro? Accurate and easy?
I'm on twitter and facebook... as long as you're going through those channels, does the dev seem responsive in general?
Both apps (or all three if you prefer) can be improved. In my experience, the develop of Dot Melody is approachable and keen to progress the app. The relationship on screen of action to sound works splendidly for those who have sonic imagination but little or no formal training. Tweaking so that what is played matches what the Buzzcocks termed 'harmony in my head' is therefore easier.
The Klimpers, feel to me like they should be one app. I bought the Midi out IAP for one, and was quite surprised when I bought the other Klimper to find that feature not only missing but completely unavailable. Also, the Klimper that does have it lacks a play button, for fuck's sake! So you can put your ducks in a row, but have to make them quack manually, or export Midi to something else. I keep them around in the hope that they dev will amalgamate them.
Well... I was sold on Klimper, but now you've completely un-sold me on it. I've got enough apps for now. And soon... will not be playing with many of them much for a few weeks anyway. Will revisit these at a later date I think.
Thanks for the feedback.
I have no way to say if the dev is responsive via those channels as I don't use either. Give him a try and find out.
I sent him an email to the support e-mail of his other app a couple if days ago without a response, but he may not be monitoring that closely (it's an old app).
Midi export/import is easy but not as accurate as I would have hoped hence my desire to contact him and my comment that it has some bugs. Then again it's on sale because of the bugs.....
Klimper is an old app? I thought it only launched a little over a year ago?
Checked his twitter and it was only launched a few days ago with pretty much announcements of the app. Didn't see any user interaction with dev. Checked facebook... can't find a biz page for his apps. Just some announcement from other music blogs about his app. Only post I could find from him is the announcement of his original Klimper app in Nov 2015 and giving out redeem codes. Nothing else.
Ok... maybe not Bram Bos level of dev/user interaction. LOL
So, if the dev does nothing else with Klimper Composition and doesn't fix the bugs, etc. is it still worth the current $3 in terms of useful value?
strangely, for me it is. just for the few days I have had with it and the little insights into a possible composition workflow. plus, it is pretty.
Yes. I like it's design. I'm not sure I "get" the parts where the notes are highlighted in the piano roll. Are those the ones underlined?
I think I also read that Klimper "suggests" other chords, but I didn't see where those suggestions were in the demo video. I'm in the middle of travel packing at the moment with some anxiety. Was looking for a new toy to take my mind off the details obsession.
Might go for it this evening. It looks like the original Klimper at least got a few improvement and bug fix updates last year, doesn't look like there's been one since last February.
the underlined notes are the base notes (of each chord) and the lighter fields in the piano roll are all those that are part of the chord, it is quite intuitive when you're interacting with it
klimper will only suggest based on melody notes you have already put in, not based on chords you already have
Any suggestions on how to approximate "song mode" on Dot Melody? The patterns are triggered only when tapped. Clip-launching via Launchpad possible?
So I recorded the patterns into Blocs Wave (holy shit, Abelton Link is a miracle). And now export to Launchpad. Does each clip get imported one at a time? Can't I batch import all the clips into launchpad from BW?
Feel like I'm on the cusp of finally getting BW...
Ended up buying Klimper Composition while it's on sale. I noticed the dev answered someone on twitter and said that link and midi-out were coming to Klimper Composition as an update... fingers crossed
Haven't played with it yet though... later