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Microtonal scale tuning as midi
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Which app is the best here. I mean apps which let me create custom microtonal scales with also more than 12 steps per octave.
It should have midi out to control other tools with it.
Best would be if it is for iPhone as well.
I also would like to use a normal keyboard or a seaboard to play these scales then.
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I don't know if it's best, and it's not iPhone, but there's ScaleGen. Also not sure if you can use hardware to play the scales, but that's the only one I can think of.
You should be able to send iPad ScaleGen scales to Gestrument on the phone and go from there. Haven't tried it myself.
Thank you!
I have no iPad (maybe i get one again in the future) so iPhone version is needed.
ScaleGen looks interesting.
There is really not much in the music world for this stuff.
Someone please make a midi transformer where i can set each midi key to a custom pitch.
Or maybe this exist still too? At least i didn´t find anything like this yet beyond the western 12 note scale.
I wish ThumbJam had microtonal scales
ThumbJam can load Scala format files which support any number of notes in the scale with any microtonal tuning.
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/scl_format.html
Just create one or use existing examples with a .scl file extension (optionally put multiple in a ZIP file) and Open In... ThumbJam to import them.
You can also create microtonal scales in the app but only 12-tone based ones (as you discovered).
Thank's!
And i should then be able to use ThumbJam as midi controller with microtonal scales and could control also my plug-ins with it? That would be great!
Well, that's a little tricky because with a standard single channel midi synth you could only do monophonic playing because the pitch bend messages (to achieve microtonality) apply to the whole channel. Because of that I don't actually send out pitch bends to match the microtonality of the current scale. But this is something I do want to address in an update because the channel per touch option could support this and more synths are getting MPE support where it is possible to do polyphonic microtonality.
On the flip side, you can play ThumbJam's sounds using a hardware midi keyboard, with TJ's input scale lock feature turned on, so that playing adjacent white keys (or optionally all keys) will play adjacent notes in the scale, no matter how many tones are in the scale.
I also am planning a standalone midi utility app which can do this scale lock thing independently (midi filter), as well as provide some options to interface regular controllers with MPE synths and vice versa.
This can be done with propellerhead Reason and a rack extension called microtune. It can also be setup to play in polyphonic mode with a combinator. Also can then send out to midi output to control other plugins or hardware
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/microtune/
Thank's but it's sadly reason only.
Great to hear, i have a Seaboard Rise which can do play that (and it annoys me that the editor from the Seaboard is so limited that i can't set a custom pitch for each key, would solve all my hassle here). But a DAW must then be MPE ready too.
So for non multi channel synths/tools i think i still need then the scala.tun format (if the synth support this). Isn't that mainly the same like polyphonic pitch bend.
But for now monophonic playing is good too for some instruments.
Thank you very much!
ThumbJam rocks (please consider a midi FX version for desktop one day too, there is nothing like this there).
The Wilsonic app can generate all sorts of non-traditional scales and export them as scala files.
I have this have app. Never used it since it has no midi out but exporting scales sounds good.
Thank's.
You can customize the scales if you don't want to have too many tones in your scala file.
Yes, thank´s!
I also explored again all the .tun files inside Alchemy 1.55. Alchemy 2 or the iOS version does not have this feature sadly.....thank´s Apple for removing useful options.
Now i will see which synths support these files. On desktop there are a few on iOS i know of Sunrizer (but strange that only the iOS version support it and the iPhone version doesn´t work since months and the developer doesn´t even answer e-mails anymore or care about support).
What other iOS apps let me load .tun files?
I put the .tun files from Omnisphere 2 and Alchemy 1.55 together and there are a few 100´s i think. Enough to experiment
So i try to make some experimental microtonal sounds and it´s great if i can tune iOS synths and desktop plug-ins to get along together. I mean i still mainly use the western scale but i love to go outside it from time to time and explore the weird goodness of microtonal harmonics and disharmonics.
Maybe i have to try to use the scala software again....first time i tryed it i even don´t know how to install it....lol!
Wilson will export .scl if i get this right, so i have to convert them via scala in .tun files?
Uhhh......maybe i have to learn more about this stuff.
Thank´s for all the help here!
I just bought the CSE (Custom Scale Editor) and it works. For sure it needs some time to dive in but i will try.
This would be great as iOS app as well. Another thing i wonder why there are nearly no "editors" for iOS.
I use desktop and iOS but if i use iOS apps only i would like to avoid to have to use a computer for editing (hello Roli).
For now i´m pleased, so thank you again!
It's iPad and desktop only but probably worth mentioning Dhalang Microtonal Groovebox where you can create custom scales and tunings and export scala files. Not something I've explored with it yet though.
Thank´s, i saw there is even a mac app store app for this and a lite version to test.
that would be nice. Although, with ScaleGen and Thumbjam (independently) this already should be possible, I just never invested enought time to make practical use of it. Same with CSE (desktop) by the way.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/worldscales/id505034913?mt=8
WorldScales app will do this, but it is only for iPad. But you could connect external midi keyboard to this app and lock to scale and play.