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Why don't any iOS amp modellers support loading IR files?

Not even as a paid IAP. Sure you can do it with audiobus, AUM, Inter-App Audio... but I don't want to have to run two or three apps just to get a basic guitar tone. What gives? IK? Yonac? Anyone?

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  • Yonac's ToneStack can put any IAA app at the end of the FX chain. And ToneStack has midi bindings for the IAA app bypass and wet/dry levels. It works pretty well if you ask me.

  • It's a good point, in my view. The cabinet emulations appear to be the amp sims weak points, across the board.

  • A little off-topic, but I bought a couple of amp sims recently just to spice things up. Amp One, which is by far the most metal modeller I've tried. Super tight and aggressive, perfect for fast technical riffing. And Mobile Pod from Line 6. Sounds like absolute garbage! I think literally any other modeller on iOS sounds leagues better which is really sad considering Line 6 is a big company and modelling is supposed to be their speciality.

  • Get a free app called fiddlicator, load ir on it and put fiddlicator as iaa for bias fx or tonestacks fx chain and turn off the apps own speaker sim

  • @ToMess

    Good tip, but I had some issues with Fiddlicator turning into a 'zombie app' - remaining open in the background with Tonestack.

    Slightly OT, but I recently got a Zoom G5n and an ancient Zoom 8080 multifx pedalboards, both of which sound much better than anything on iOS (IMO) for overdriven sounds.

  • @Matthew said:
    A little off-topic, but I bought a couple of amp sims recently just to spice things up. Amp One, which is by far the most metal modeller I've tried. Super tight and aggressive, perfect for fast technical riffing. And Mobile Pod from Line 6. Sounds like absolute garbage! I think literally any other modeller on iOS sounds leagues better which is really sad considering Line 6 is a big company and modelling is supposed to be their speciality.

    Amp one is really good, such a breeze to use as well. everything on one page! John over at musicappblog uses mobile pod as his go to. I just mentioned on his blog, that I don't ever hear it talked about on the audiobus forum. (guess I was wrong, lol.) I like bias for most of my metal stuff. But I do use Amp One quite a bit too.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    @ToMess

    Good tip, but I had some issues with Fiddlicator turning into a 'zombie app' - remaining open in the background with Tonestack.

    Slightly OT, but I recently got a Zoom G5n and an ancient Zoom 8080 multifx pedalboards, both of which sound much better than anything on iOS (IMO) for overdriven sounds.

    That never happened to me on bias fx(ios 9.3). Have you tried reinstalling fiddlicator?

    Also yea digital distortion doesent sound very good. Some hardware fx units are better than bias etc, but i would recommend using analog distortion/overdrive pedals with simulators. Even better if you can use preamp of tube amp for distortion and bypass the preamp on amp sims.

  • Overloud THM in Auria...load IR cabs is convolution reverb. I think I have a video on how to do it on YouTube..I'll look

  • How to load IR files in auria...might be a little outdated with the transfer system but you get the idea

  • @ToMess said:

    Also yea digital distortion doesent sound very good. Some hardware fx units are better than bias etc, but i would recommend using analog distortion/overdrive pedals with simulators. Even better if you can use preamp of tube amp for distortion and bypass the preamp on amp sims.

    >

    Am not convinced on that point. Personally, I think it' s more to do with the cabinet / speaker emulations. I used to use Nebula cab libraries and they sounded better than any IRs that I came across.

  • @Igneous1 said:

    @ToMess said:

    Also yea digital distortion doesent sound very good. Some hardware fx units are better than bias etc, but i would recommend using analog distortion/overdrive pedals with simulators. Even better if you can use preamp of tube amp for distortion and bypass the preamp on amp sims.

    >

    Am not convinced on that point. Personally, I think it' s more to do with the cabinet / speaker emulations. I used to use Nebula cab libraries and they sounded better than any IRs that I came across.

    Cab sim doesent create distortion, so it doesent have anything to do with it really. IR is basically just a very accurate eq curve, and because it comes after the distortion, it doesent even shape how something distorts(unlike eq before distortion does).

    You can google around, its a known fact that digital distortion just isnt on the same level with analog. Axe-fx 2 is really close tho and few other 1000€+ hardware units are quite close to axe-fx.

  • @ToMess said:

    @Igneous1 said:

    @ToMess said:

    Also yea digital distortion doesent sound very good. Some hardware fx units are better than bias etc, but i would recommend using analog distortion/overdrive pedals with simulators. Even better if you can use preamp of tube amp for distortion and bypass the preamp on amp sims.

    >

    Am not convinced on that point. Personally, I think it' s more to do with the cabinet / speaker emulations. I used to use Nebula cab libraries and they sounded better than any IRs that I came across.

    Cab sim doesent create distortion, so it doesent have anything to do with it really. IR is basically just a very accurate eq curve, and because it comes after the distortion, it doesent even shape how something distorts(unlike eq before distortion does).

    You can google around, its a known fact that digital distortion just isnt on the same level with analog. Axe-fx 2 is really close tho and few other 1000€+ hardware units are quite close to axe-fx.

    Of course analogue distortion is better, that goes without saying. My Zoom 8080 actually has analogue circuits for the distortion tones. I still think the cabinet/speaker modelling is significant and that's the area that the iOS sims are deficient in. Thats why people are looking to use IRs in the iOS sims.

  • Speaker modelling should help the distortion because typical speaker cabs on guitar rigs don't have much high frequencies, so they naturally filter out the fizz from distortion.

  • @Igneous1 said:
    Of course analogue distortion is better, that goes without saying. My Zoom 8080 actually has analogue circuits for the distortion tones. I still think the cabinet/speaker modelling is significant and that's the area that the iOS sims are deficient in. Thats why people are looking to use IRs in the iOS sims.

    Okay, but you kinda said that you dont agree that analog distortion is better by saying that you dont agree with me when i said it :P Maybe you misquoted or something.

    @richardyot said:
    Speaker modelling should help the distortion because typical speaker cabs on guitar rigs don't have much high frequencies, so they naturally filter out the fizz from distortion.

    Signal of guitar is meant to be driven through a speaker(or a sim of it), thats why going direct will sound like crap(except for cleans it can work), distortion is really ear piercingly fizzy etc. So i dont really see it like that speaker sim will help distortion in guitar setting, but more like that a speaker is an essential part of a guitar rig and guitar will sound like crap without it. Btw you can get rid of the fizz using a regular eq. Actually an eq can replace the whole speaker sim, it wont be as detailed, but can get the job done. Speaker sim(IR at least) is essentially just an highly detailed eq curve.

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