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midiSTEPs update incoming!

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  • @hellquist said:
    ...and in the "awesome replies" notes, another checkmark next to @syrupcore. Thanks! I was happy with this update, mainly due to link, but now you have planted seeds of usage that will be used all over the place for me. :)

    Ditto.

    And I definitely chuckled out loud on the "...flat out lies" ending. :)

  • @syrupcore thanks for these details...More and more tempted...But rather to be disapointed and winning after buy, I'd like to have more infos of this really nice step seq...

  • I really hope we get an iphone version

  • @Carnbot said:
    I really hope we get an iphone version

    Me too

  • App Store describes it as a toy !? Surely it's more than that ?
    I note it's from the same developers as funk box ... hopefully they'll be bringing link to funk box soon.

  • I've been trying to control hosted AUs Troublemaker in midisteps via midi with no success, not sure if it's user error or a bug.

  • @enc said:
    App Store describes it as a toy !? Surely it's more than that ?

    Yea its pretty funny, and definitely seems more than a toy(altho it kinda looks like a toy). Especially since there are a lot of real toy apps that advertise them as being professional..

  • @syrupcore said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @syrupcore said:

    step triggers!!

    how do you use them exactly ? D= I'm so clueless right now.....

    On my phone at the moment but I'll give it a shot.

    1. Setup track one to play a sequence pointed at some sound maker (internal, whatever). It's probably simplest to see how triggers work if you make simple 4 note sequence like C,D,E,F. For emphasis, make one of the notes an octave or two above or below the other three.
    2. Listen to it. Should be a simple 16th note sequence. The note with the odd octave sounds like the emphasis note.
    3. Go to track setting and tap on input (I think, one of the last items)
    4. Set it to 'step' on the lower left. Again, I think. One is clock something or other. Pick the other.
    5. To the right of that you select the step trigger source. Select another midisteps track (they go by color).
    6. Go to the track you selected as the trigger and make a new sequence. For illustrative purposes, make a 5 note sequence: note, rest, rest, note, rest. which notes you enter does not matter (can all be the same note). Only thing that matters is the rhythm of the notes and rests.
    7. Hit play. The track one sequence should now be triggering a note each time a note from track 2 is triggered. Since the two sequences are of different lengths, the pattern of just four notes should take a while to resolve the same way.
    8. Now make a few different sequences on track 2. Go to the mix tab and play with changing the pattern and you can come up with all sorts of rhythmic variations of the original, very simple four note sequence. You probably want to make the track change patterns immediately instead of waiting. Can't remember the setting name.
    9. Make sequence 1 a more interesting collection of notes, introduce step and reset probability to the notes of one or both sequences, set sequence 1 to transpose (or make a few transposed pattern copies so you can stay within the mix screen) and... 90 minutes, gone!

    Two other simple experiments:

    1. Try it with a two note bass sequence. Even just an octave jump. Add a solid drum beat of some sort. Now set up a couple of trigger patterns to move your bass line around.
    2. Really 1a: make it a three note bass line with c1, C2 and some third note that makes you happy. On the C2 step, set the restart probability (can't remember the exact name) to ~85%. Now as you trigger it, it will mostly be the two note bassline but the third note will occasionally slip in and since the rhythm is coming from elsewhere, the feel will shift at that point.
    3. Setup an arpeggio on track one and set up the trigger track with 4 seqs like n,r,n,r; n,r,r,n... now as you switch the trig patterns, the arp should shift in time. If they're different lengths, more shifty. Another sort of 'classic?' use for this would be to set up 4 trig patterns that worked out to be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 and 1/16 in time. Now you can hop between those patterns to get different arp speeds.

    Again, on my phone so apologies for typos and flat out lies. :)

    Can we get avideo of this ??? ;)

  • @syrupcore said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @syrupcore said:

    step triggers!!

    how do you use them exactly ? D= I'm so clueless right now.....

    On my phone at the moment but I'll give it a shot.

    1. Setup track one to play a sequence pointed at some sound maker (internal, whatever). It's probably simplest to see how triggers work if you make simple 4 note sequence like C,D,E,F. For emphasis, make one of the notes an octave or two above or below the other three.
    2. Listen to it. Should be a simple 16th note sequence. The note with the odd octave sounds like the emphasis note.
    3. Go to track setting and tap on input (I think, one of the last items)
    4. Set it to 'step' on the lower left. Again, I think. One is clock something or other. Pick the other.
    5. To the right of that you select the step trigger source. Select another midisteps track (they go by color).
    6. Go to the track you selected as the trigger and make a new sequence. For illustrative purposes, make a 5 note sequence: note, rest, rest, note, rest. which notes you enter does not matter (can all be the same note). Only thing that matters is the rhythm of the notes and rests.
    7. Hit play. The track one sequence should now be triggering a note each time a note from track 2 is triggered. Since the two sequences are of different lengths, the pattern of just four notes should take a while to resolve the same way.
    8. Now make a few different sequences on track 2. Go to the mix tab and play with changing the pattern and you can come up with all sorts of rhythmic variations of the original, very simple four note sequence. You probably want to make the track change patterns immediately instead of waiting. Can't remember the setting name.
    9. Make sequence 1 a more interesting collection of notes, introduce step and reset probability to the notes of one or both sequences, set sequence 1 to transpose (or make a few transposed pattern copies so you can stay within the mix screen) and... 90 minutes, gone!

    Two other simple experiments:

    1. Try it with a two note bass sequence. Even just an octave jump. Add a solid drum beat of some sort. Now set up a couple of trigger patterns to move your bass line around.
    2. Really 1a: make it a three note bass line with c1, C2 and some third note that makes you happy. On the C2 step, set the restart probability (can't remember the exact name) to ~85%. Now as you trigger it, it will mostly be the two note bassline but the third note will occasionally slip in and since the rhythm is coming from elsewhere, the feel will shift at that point.
    3. Setup an arpeggio on track one and set up the trigger track with 4 seqs like n,r,n,r; n,r,r,n... now as you switch the trig patterns, the arp should shift in time. If they're different lengths, more shifty. Another sort of 'classic?' use for this would be to set up 4 trig patterns that worked out to be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8 and 1/16 in time. Now you can hop between those patterns to get different arp speeds.

    Again, on my phone so apologies for typos and flat out lies. :)

    Thank you Professor. Generous effort. Made a buyer out of me.

  • @syrupcore thanks for the explanation. Can you post a sound cloud recording of what you describe?

  • @Carnbot said:
    I've been trying to control hosted AUs Troublemaker in midisteps via midi with no success, not sure if it's user error or a bug.

    Hmm...one of the first do I would like to do if I'd buy it...

  • edited February 2017

    @Carnbot said:
    I've been trying to control hosted AUs Troublemaker in midisteps via midi with no success, not sure if it's user error or a bug.

    I was able to create a new set using four instances of Troublemaker each with a different preset in midiSTEPSs on an iPad Air 2 running iOS 10.2.1.

    I have had instances where if you have an existing set and try to replace the existing synth with an AU you can end up with a mixture of the new and the old synth. In the screen shot the original Yamaha FM AU interface is showing and produces sounds even though ReSlice was selected. After closing out and reopening midiSTEPs, the correct ReSlice interface showed up.

  • @InfoCheck said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I've been trying to control hosted AUs Troublemaker in midisteps via midi with no success, not sure if it's user error or a bug.

    I was able to create a new set using four instances of Troublemaker each with a different preset in midiSTEPSs on an iPad Air 2 running iOS 10.2.1.

    I have had instances where if you have an existing set and try to replace the existing synth with an AU you can end up with a mixture of the new and the old synth. In the screen shot the original Yamaha FM AU interface is showing and produces sounds even though ReSlice was selected. After closing out and reopening midiSTEPs, the correct ReSlice interface showed up.

    Thanks, I'm hosting the AUs ok, just trying to control them via a midi controller such as a BCR2000, couldn't control troublemaker when I tried last. Maybe I'll have another go on a different project.

  • Watched Mister Haq's intro to this which was just what a n00b needs. Love its apparent simplicity. Anyone got any comments on this in comparison with Fugue?

  • I'm unable to figure out how to add AU effects. can anyone help?

  • @midiSequencer said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Just lost 90 minutes playing with step triggers. Effing magic!

    Would really like midi input per sequencer one day. And/or fixed note step trig input. Could then use another sequencer to step trig some tracks or use a single sequence with multiple notes to step two+ different tracks or use a drum machine with midi out to make 4 tracks of step trigger madness. I'd lose a week when the 4 channel version of midiSequencer lands!

    its 24 track really ... :)

    Hubba want!

    Currently trying to figure out how to get a fund together so that you and Art can get a week in a cabin together to literally better humanity. The cabin will hopefully be in Hawaii but I'm not much of a fundraiser so it might be in northeast Jersey.

  • @Shaken&;Stirred said:
    I'm unable to figure out how to add AU effects. can anyone help?

    You must add an AU instrument first, open it and press + at the top (next to the AU icon)

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Watched Mister Haq's intro to this which was just what a n00b needs. Love its apparent simplicity. Anyone got any comments on this in comparison with Fugue?

    Mmmm Both have things in common Johnny. More scales are in Fugue. MDS have major, minor and you can specify the key. I'm enjoying more MDS these days for the AU/AUM factor. And 4 IAA outputs is great.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Watched Mister Haq's intro to this which was just what a n00b needs. Love its apparent simplicity. Anyone got any comments on this in comparison with Fugue?

    The main difference is that Fugue forces all 4 tracks to play the same set of notes. Think where FM excels though is in creating harmonic and timing relationships between those 4 tracks.

  • @Shaken&;Stirred said:
    I'm unable to figure out how to add AU effects. can anyone help?

    It took me a minute too. It's only available when you've already loaded an AU instrument. Then, open the AU and you'll see a little + icon next to the app icon at the top of the screen. Tap that.

    To remove it, you have to longggggg press it and then select 'none'.

  • @ToMess said:

    @enc said:
    App Store describes it as a toy !? Surely it's more than that ?

    Yea its pretty funny, and definitely seems more than a toy(altho it kinda looks like a toy). Especially since there are a lot of real toy apps that advertise them as being professional..

    I imagine that's a little bit of "expectation setting" on Mr. Kerns' part. In a world where people get on the Internet and declare anything without, say, Link a toy, a fella can't be too careful.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:
    oh my god. this is basically Thesys's note step. i frikking love this update. thanks so much :D

    Crap. Now I am basically forced to redownload Thesys. :)

  • @Ivan_Dj

    @syrupcore said:

    @Shaken&;Stirred said:
    I'm unable to figure out how to add AU effects. can anyone help?

    It took me a minute too. It's only available when you've already loaded an AU instrument. Then, open the AU and you'll see a little + icon next to the app icon at the top of the screen. Tap that.

    To remove it, you have to longggggg press it and then select 'none'.

    got it, thank you both!

  • @Jocphone said:

    @Carnbot said:
    I really hope we get an iphone version

    Me too

    Me three

  • edited February 2017

    I think im dumb..

  • Warning: if you change a track's output target (say from MIDI to a hosted AU) all step based automation will be erased. And since the app autosaves... ouch. This kicked me squarely in the ball sack tonight.

  • It should be reported

  • Sure needs to be reported!
    Also, I know my questions doesn't look sexy, but may I gently ask again ?
    Thanks :)

    @crony said:
    Wow...Just to make things clear,
    1.can you launch individually stop/start by midi each pattern ?
    2.Assign some sort of grid for each pattern by midi ?
    3.Is it thru midi learn or is it fixed ?
    4.Can you assign speed, and length of the notes by midi ?
    5.Can you send program change on each pattern ? (to load the sound you want from the other app that produce the sound)
    6.Are the midi channels fixed for each pattern, or is it global ? Can yo change it thru midi also ??
    7.Can you change the scale + mode by midi ???
    8.No swing knob ?
    Thanks :)

  • @syrupcore said:

    @Shaken&;Stirred said:
    I'm unable to figure out how to add AU effects. can anyone help?

    It took me a minute too. It's only available when you've already loaded an AU instrument. Then, open the AU and you'll see a little + icon next to the app icon at the top of the screen. Tap that.

    To remove it, you have to longggggg press it and then select 'none'.

    Annoyingly, the effects are in a "roll list" with "auto submit", and as the list stops, that effect gets loaded. When I have tried reaching an effect further down the list I will have loaded 3-4 effects on my way to load the one I'm after. I sure hope those effects I wasn't aiming for, but which still loaded, will close neatly without leaving anything behind.

    A little clunky way of doing it, but better than nothing though.

  • @hellquist said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @Shaken&;Stirred said:
    I'm unable to figure out how to add AU effects. can anyone help?

    It took me a minute too. It's only available when you've already loaded an AU instrument. Then, open the AU and you'll see a little + icon next to the app icon at the top of the screen. Tap that.

    To remove it, you have to longggggg press it and then select 'none'.

    Annoyingly, the effects are in a "roll list" with "auto submit", and as the list stops, that effect gets loaded. When I have tried reaching an effect further down the list I will have loaded 3-4 effects on my way to load the one I'm after. I sure hope those effects I wasn't aiming for, but which still loaded, will close neatly without leaving anything behind.

    A little clunky way of doing it, but better than nothing though.

    I contacted the dev about the effects list. He is going to fix it.

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