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Where are the Klimper apps ? Is Apple deleting some apps ?

[Deleted User][Deleted User]
in General App Discussion

„Klimper - Music Composition“ von Tobias Suellhoefer
https://appsto.re/de/Z-54gb.i

Klimper https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1061116191?mt=8&ign-mpt=uo=8

I can't find the Klimper apps in the french store :(

Same for an old app called Praxis Beats drum machine
https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/app/praxis-beats-drum-machine/id659677415?mt=8&at=10l3RB

Is Apple cleaning the old apps of the store ?

Are they others disappeared apps ??

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  • ToMessToMess

    Not sure about them, but apple did say something about cleaning up apps that havent been kept up to date some time ago.

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    But at least one of the Klimperapps is lessthan6 months old.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited February 2017

    @BiancaNeve said:
    But at least one of the Klimperapps is lessthan6 months old.

    Yes this app is only 2 or 3 months old .

    Firo ( brilliant chord tool ) is gone too .

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    The klimper apps aren't even showing in Purchased either.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited February 2017

    @BiancaNeve said:
    The klimper apps aren't even showing in Purchased either.

    I bought a lot of IOS apps last year, all that money wasted.I am afraid that is just The beginning of The big AppStore ´s cleaning before The next IOS .Sounds like it' s Time to go back on windows or Mac Os and download software ´s torrents lol ...

  • studs1966studs1966

    As long as you bought it when it came out, it should be still be in your iTunes account. But it's 50/50 if it works when you update the iOS. Other than that, all you can try is try to contact the Dev.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Yes... dissapointing...

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    @studs1966 said:
    As long as you bought it when it came out, it should be still be in your iTunes account. But it's 50/50 if it works when you update the iOS. Other than that, all you can try is try to contact the Dev.

    But it's not....

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    I've managed to get responses from Apple, though can't say they have always been useful ones.

  • amusing_Graceamusing_Grace

    Another reason apps get purged from purchased list is when the dev doesn't pay the yearly fee to publish on the app store.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited February 2017

    @BiancaNeve said:
    The klimper apps aren't even showing in Purchased either.

    Canadian app store for me. I just searched klimper and they are gone . I did recently buy the newer edition Klimper Musical Composition and it's installed on my iPad and is in my purchased history also.....weird stuff going on

  • nicknick

    typically apps disappear when the developer does not renew their account with Apple. if that is the case with klimper, that would be a pity as the new one was really promising.

    on the other hand, developers sometimes temporarily withdraw apps when they have issues that can't be fixed quickly. I hope that is the case here and we'll see renewed versions of klimper

  • jrjuliusjrjulius

    I haven't noticed any music apps disappearing but I seem to have lost my Papa Sangre games -- the developer removed them from sale and they no longer appear in my purchased apps list. So the moral of the story is to use apps as soon as you buy them, because if you wait then you might miss out entirely.

  • aaronpcaaronpc

    I learned to distrust the Apple Cloud long ago, and would be nervous as hell if I didn't have a laptop to back up to. I sync my devices to the laptop rather than iCloud, and try to always make my purchases from the laptop for just these sorts of reasons.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    Thing with the disappearing apps, we all purchased them from Apple, not the developer and as we all know Apple know the future and promote it vigorously, now the iCloud part of that future is all fubar!

  • rickwaughrickwaugh

    If you have one of these apps installed, and open it, does it give you the warning about the dev needs to update it, as it will slow down your iPad? If so, the dev has not rewritten it from 32 bit to 64 bit, and it will no longer work with iOS 11, (at least, that's the current deadline.) If it's 32 bit and you haven't purchased it, it should no longer be listed for you in the app store.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    I would like to see Apple virtualize older versions of iOS that could be run in a web browser. The goal would be to allow people to upload backed up apps that are no longer in the app store and run them in-browser. It wouldn't impact the iOS software/hardware ecosystem which could continue to have the same updates and restrictions. I haven't thought this through of course so just a daft idea...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited February 2017

    @rickwaugh said:
    If you have one of these apps installed, and open it, does it give you the warning about the dev needs to update it, as it will slow down your iPad? If so, the dev has not rewritten it from 32 bit to 64 bit, and it will no longer work with iOS 11, (at least, that's the current deadline.) If it's 32 bit and you haven't purchased it, it should no longer be listed for you in the app store.

    The two Klimper were recent apps ( the last was released in January 2017 !) so I think they were 64 bits (no warning and updated ) .I hope the dev is working on an update and this is not a bankrupt or abandonware ( his twitter and FB are still alive so we can contact him).They were good chords tools for composing like Navichord , ChordPolyPad, Suggester etc ...

    I checked on Appcrawlr and There are thousands purged , deleted or abandoned apps since 2009-2010 (iPhone 1 and iPad 1) .Probably the mobile apps ´s Darwinian Theory ...

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    I reported the disappearance to Apple, who promptly gave me a refund on the new one.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited February 2017

    @BiancaNeve said:
    I reported the disappearance to Apple, who promptly gave me a refund on the new one.

    Ok thank you @BiancaNeve .Good to know we can have a refund for that kind of "x-file" disappearance even after the 14 day trial ( How did you proceed without the itune purchased list ? By email ?) I hope it will set a legal precedent for all the future removed apps. Let's keep faith .

    Edit : The last klimper is mysteriously back today : Klimper - Music Composition par Tobias Suellhoefer ( iPhone only)
    https://appsto.re/fr/Z-54gb.i
    sorry for the inconvenience

  • MusicInclusiveMusicInclusive

    Something needs to be done about this. This is about the 5th thread on disappearing apps in the past few weeks now. We need to make some kind of representation to Apple. This is not "flappy birds" territory - these are apps that we use in a serious way: in music production, and we expect (whether living under a false expectation or not given the TOS - we nonetheless do expect) to continue to be available so that we can carry on using them as useful tools that we have paid money for.

    Again - in other areas of life, TOS giving Apple the "right" to do this notwithstanding, some might consider the removal of what one has paid for and has the expectation of continuing to have access to and use - like a book, a pair of shoes, a coat - theft. Yes, the TOS says Apple can do this, but there is reasonable expectation and there is unreasonable. It is perhaps unreasonable to consider that everyone would read the TOS. We all just click "Agree". If one does not click "Agree" one can't access the app store; what is one to do? :neutral:

    I doubt anyone would win against Apple if this were challenged in court, but, I'm wondering instead if there is not a goodwill approach here where Apple could be petitioned by the likes of us to keep apps available that continue to be useful and used. Perhaps an alternate app store - for abandonware - (except that not all is). Just thinking aloud but there has to be some way to not waste 10's of thousands of dollars (perhaps more?) of people's money - right?

    Perhaps many people don't care. Many of us here do care. What can we practically do people? I've sent a message to Apple's support. Can we do more? Think think think... :hushed:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @MusicInclusive said:
    Something needs to be done about this. This is about the 5th thread on disappearing apps in the past few weeks now. We need to make some kind of representation to Apple. This is not "flappy birds" territory - these are apps that we use in a serious way: in music production, and we expect (whether living under a false expectation or not given the TOS - we nonetheless do expect) to continue to be available so that we can carry on using them as useful tools that we have paid money for.

    Again - in other areas of life, TOS giving Apple the "right" to do this notwithstanding, some might consider the removal of what one has paid for and has the expectation of continuing to have access to and use - like a book, a pair of shoes, a coat - theft. Yes, the TOS says Apple can do this, but there is reasonable expectation and there is unreasonable. It is perhaps unreasonable to consider that everyone would read the TOS. We all just click "Agree". If one does not click "Agree" one can't access the app store; what is one to do? :neutral:

    I doubt anyone would win against Apple if this were challenged in court, but, I'm wondering instead if there is not a goodwill approach here where Apple could be petitioned by the likes of us to keep apps available that continue to be useful and used. Perhaps an alternate app store - for abandonware - (except that not all is). Just thinking aloud but there has to be some way to not waste 10's of thousands of dollars (perhaps more?) of people's money - right?

    Perhaps many people don't care. Many of us here do care. What can we practically do people? I've sent a message to Apple's support. Can we do more? Think think think... :hushed:

    This sounds reasonable, word of mouth can help to get Apple to take notice.

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    I wonder what's going on with this. I reported the problem via iTunes about the app being gone and asked for a refund, but Apple never replied.
    If I search for the devs first Klimper app that I don't own, via appshopper, and hit the buy button, it brings up the app in the App Store as if I can still buy it. But, if I search that app in the App Store, nothing comes up.

    I sent the dev messages on twitter & Facebook (his only contacts) but he never replied.

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve

    Well I got a refund, only to find the app back in the store next day.....

  • GoozoonGoozoon

    Dev doesnt communicate :-1:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Now Klimper the newest version is back in the app store for me but it's gone from my purchase history...?

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    By the way, I DO like the app and don't regret buying it. I was just trying to cut bait if it was indeed forever gone forever from the App Store, and if the scales bugs the dev cited in the app description and committed to fixing, weren't ever coming.

  • High5deniedHigh5denied

    I don't k now if this is still the case with books one buys for the amazon kindle. But I remember reading somewhere that you do n't actually own the books you buy on Amazon through their service to be used on the kindle. I believe Amazon holds the right to delete the book from Amazon, and/or remove it for any reason. Maybe this has changed?

    Is the itunes store the same deal? I never read all the terms. So maybe it says that in there somewhere?

  • nicknick

    @High5denied said:
    I don't k now if this is still the case with books one buys for the amazon kindle. But I remember reading somewhere that you do n't actually own the books you buy on Amazon through their service to be used on the kindle. I believe Amazon holds the right to delete the book from Amazon, and/or remove it for any reason. Maybe this has changed?

    Is the itunes store the same deal? I never read all the terms. So maybe it says that in there somewhere?

    whether it is in the terms or not ..... it is not a good basis for business if they want to sell pro apps.
    we have a number of music apps with 100+ € of in app purchases -- and those can't even be backed up in any way (as far as I know) , so that requires a lot of faith from customers.

    luckily, at least some of the disappearing apps reappeared (Z3TA+, Klimper ...)

  • u0421793u0421793

    I think a long term view needs to be waved aloft in the forthcoming future. People buying digital content should be given a bit of a clue as to the expected lifespan of it. Even the manufacturers should sit down and put a bit of thought into this. The assumption by many is that you buy a thing of digital content and you have it for life. That this isn't necessarily the case is a surprise to many people. If manufacturers, and middle-men gatekeeper fat cat salespeople alike, could give an indication as to the expected lifespan of a thing, then people would in all likelihood either accept it and buy anyway, or go away and live in the woods altogether. The point being, it is better to know up front what the intentions are. If a digital content item disappears, people are naturally going to ask why, and not in a nice way. Amazon as mentioned have done this, and Apple will do this to music tracks if the distributor/aggregator account for the label lapses.

    I think people will accept it if the understanding is made transparent from the beginning, and also a side quantity of people will refuse to accept this and return to buying actual books on paper, actual records on vinyl, and actual hardware instead of synth apps. The latter people will certainly have the last laugh as their accumulation of products can outlive them and be sold on, if maintained. However, the former group will also have a fairly streamlined enjoyable transient ephemeral experience, whilst paying the fare, and also be happy (with nothing to show at the end, but, life's like that).

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